If you ever suspected that the “Religious” Left is perverting the Gospel of Jesus Christ.. these quotes should convince you.See how many you know…
Unbelievable — and these are the “Leaders” of the modern Church. Pitiful.
Today there really aren’t that many Fundamentalists left; I don’t know if you know that or not, but they are such a minority; there aren’t that many Fundamentalists left in America … Now the word ‘fundamentalist’ actually comes from a document in the 1920s called the Five Fundamentals of the Faith. And it is a very legalistic, narrow view of Christianity.” Quote by Rick Warren, May 2005
[Fundamentalism is]”one of the big enemies of the 21st century.” “Muslim fundamentalism, Christian fundamentalism, Jewish fundamentalism, secular fundamentalism – they’re all motivated by fear. Fear of each other.” – Rick Warren, January 2006
“Christianity IS an eastern religion. It has all its roots in the East! It’s a bit baffling to me that people lose sight of this, and insist on creating a false separation [see note below] between eastern religions and (apparently) western Christianity.” Mark Oestreicher, Youth Specialties
“Emergent doesn’t have a position on absolute truth, or on anything for that matter. Do you show up at a dinner party with your neighbors and ask, ‘What’s this dinner party’s position on absolute truth?’ No, you don’t, because it’s a nonsensical question.” Tony Jones at the 2005 National Youth Workers Convention
“My goal is to destroy Christianity as a world religion and be a catalyst for the movement of Jesus Christ,” McManus, author of a new book called The Barbarian Way, said in a telephone interview. “Some people are upset with me because it sounds like I’m anti-Christian. I think they might be right.”—Erwin McManus, from The Barbarian Way
“With practice, you can develop the habit of praying silent ‘breath prayers‘” Rick Warren, from his book (p. 299)
“[U]se ‘breath prayers‘ throughout the day, as many Christians have done for centuries. You choose a brief sentence or a simple phrase that can be repeated to Jesus in one breath.”—Rick Warren, The Purpose-Driven Life, p. 89
“Does Buddha have anything to offer non-Buddhists in the workplace? My answer is a wholehearted, ‘Yes.’—Ken Blanchard, co-author of the One Minute Manager, from the foreword and front cover of What Would Buddha Do in the Workplace?
“Spiritual ecstasy. The third phase of contemplative prayer … a supernatural trance state …” Charisma magazine, Oct. 2004
“Contemplative prayer is nothing other than coming into consciousness of what is already there.” Brennan Manning, The Signature of Jesus
“Brennan (Manning) is my friend, walking ahead of me on the path toward home. As I watch him from behind, I am drawn to more closely follow on the path…” Larry Crabb, endorsement of Abba’s Child
“I began practicing meditation, specifically breath prayer, once again. I integrated the use of Tai Chi and yoga” John Michael Talbot, Interview with Christianity Today 10/22/2001
“[Y]ou and I may have strong opinions on double predestination, supralapsarianism, and biblical inerrancy, but these should not be considered evangelical essentials.” Richard Foster
“We’re rediscovering Christianity as an Eastern religion, as a way of life.”– Rob Bell, Teaching Pastor Mars Hill Bible Church from The Emergent Mystique, Christianity Today
“Today I personally believe that while Jesus came to open the door to God’s house, all human beings can walk through that door, whether they know about Jesus or not. Today I see it as my call to help every person claim his or her own way to God.” Henri Nouwen, Sabbatical Journey
“Isn’t it a pity that people are going into LSD to have spiritual experiences, when we have a tradition in the Church [contemplative prayer] which no one knows anything about?”source Thomas Merton
“My acquaintance with eastern methods of meditation has convinced me that … there are ways of calming the mind in the spiritual disciplines of both the east and the west [and] many serious seekers of truth study the eastern religions,…”
Lies, Lies and more lies.
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Phil, I agree with you 100%. I do not like to get into politics here, as it is a distraction.
I would like to keep this ministry laser-focused on advancing and defending the gospel.
I do hope that we don’t go down the wrong road here of putting politicians on the same platform as religious leaders like MacArthur and others. We should want politicians that support our religious freedoms, freedom of speech, protecting our national security, and upholding the Constitution, and respecting our rights even if we differ. If we do keep dropping the names of politicians and labeling them as to whether they are LS or grace alone, we may end taking things in the wrong direction here. Just my opinion.
Holly, I envision Eastern Orthodox, RCC, and reformed religions further coalescing until the characteristics that distinguish them from one another are ironed out. All of them distort the gospel.
I continue to pray for our president and our nation.
Chas and Phil, lots of good info on Warren and Hank Hanegraaf. Unfortunately my niece got into the Eastern Orthodox church. When Jack was still alive, he came to my FB page to help me contend earnestly for the faith once delivered several times. I’m not sure where she is now on the subject, but all I know is our kids have to be warned about the errors out there so they know what to look for.
On the presidency, I pray for more sound believers to somehow support Trump and the others to fade away, but I pray for him regardless as I’m supposed to and I’m thankful actually for many things he has done. I figure if God used Nebuchadnezzar, no one is impossible 🙂
Jason, I hope that Lewis will read the article and that it would benefit him.
Phil, very good advice!
If I were President, I would fire every spiritual advisor. That’s one reason why I will never be President. When I shared Holly’s article on Bethel, Lewis Adame thanked me and said he would read it.
The Bible tells us to pray for rulers including our elected presidents. I doubt you will find anyone running for office, or who has been elected to office that has never been attracted to some teaching that is in error sometime in their life. I think we want to vote for people who will best serve our needs as a nation and protect the people at large. Let’s pray our leaders care enough to serve the people, and pray that if they need to they will trust in Christ as their Savior.
Jason, politicians often seek popular religious figures to deliver votes.
Obama chose Rick Warren to deliver his 2008 inaugural invocation. Likewise, Trump has a bevy of LS supporters.
Obama was mentored by Jeremiah Wright.
Given all of this, we should be circumspect about any politician or party claiming to have a mandate from God.
If I recall correctly, Trump said in 2016 that he was mentored by Norman Vincent Peale.
I found Hank Henegraaff’s Bible Answer Man program is now on the OCN, The Orthodox Christian Network. Something to be avoided. More false gospel teaching from HH.
From what I have read Hank H. was also attracted to Eastern Orthodoxy because he says this is the most “original” form of Christianity as the early Christian fathers received from the apostles in terms of doctrine. So, I wonder if he believes the apostles and the early Christian leaders used all the smoke and ceremonies, icon veneration, and faith plus works false teachings of the EO church.. (The EO church claims to be the authentic church and this is mostly what HH was attracted to)
chas, you’re right, Hank H father was not the original Bible Answer Man. Interesting that Hank H is still doing the Bible Answer Man radio show. I would be curious to hear it but the radio station here won’t carry it. I imagine a lot of radio and TV have dropped Hank and his Bible Answer Man show like a manhole cover. I have Sirius Sat Radio in my car, so I might try and see if I get it there. I just wonder if he is giving the EO version of Bible answers. I assume as authoritarian as the EO clergy and church is, what Hank says on his radio show has be approved or disapproved by the EO bishops.
Chas, that is all very good perspective.
The guys you mentioned all seem to want to build bridges that ignore gospel-related error.
Rick Warren gave me the “willies” the first time I read excerpts from “Purpose Driven Life” on the webtoobs. It just had the smell of spiritual bondage all over it. I thought it might be “just me” at first, until our doctor at the time gave us a bunch of PDL material at the close of a routine office visit. It seemed weird to get that kind of material from a medical doctor, so I decided it was time to research RW and his PDL. By the time of our next doctor visit, I had a 1/4-inch thick stack of material exposing the whole PDL scam, which I gave to the doctor. I never had the chance to go over it with him (his office was always very busy) so I don’t know if he ever read the material. He already had a couple other weird ideas, and we soon began seeing another doctor.
Rick Warren is a protege of the late Robert Schuller, the notorious preacher of “possibility thinking”, who was himself a protege of Norman Vincent Peale. RW does NOT like that to be known, btw, because Schuller was also known to be a closet New Ager. Being associated with Schuller would blow Warren’s cover. RW is the consummate “schmoozer”, able to tailor his speech to avoid offending his audience. He knows Baptist doctrine inside and out, and can recite it on cue. He will often do such when he’s caught teaching or supporting anything unbiblical. For instance, when he was criticized for enlisting “noted authors” in his “Daniel Plan” diet program who were known to have mystical new age beliefs and practices–mantra meditation in particular–he went before his congregation and gave a textbook message about “biblical meditation” as a smokescreen to give the impression that his own beliefs on the subject were biblical. It was a blatant attempt at damage control, and most of his congregation bought it. All he has to do is flash that goatee-ed grin and people’s discernment melts.
Just as John MacArthur could be the poster boy for LS, Rick Warren could be the poster boy for the worldly “church” at large. Together with the pope, he is a major player in the ecumenical movement. He’s even been called “the Protestant Pope”.
As for Hank Hanegraaff, he is the current host of the Bible Answer Man program. I don’t think Hank’s father was ever involved in it. The previous (original) host was Walter Martin. Hanegraaff did some good work early in his career, exposing Word-Faith and Toronto Blessing errors in two books, but he was always very weak on eschatology and vulnerable to Roman Catholic sympathies since he failed to recognize the RCC gospel for what it is; false. That he would succumb to Eastern Orthodoxy isn’t surprising, since their “gospel” is essentially the same faith-plus-works formula as the RCC’s. I guess Hank thinks EO’s rejection of the pope makes them okay. Besides, they have such cool ornate buildings and elaborate services. So spiritual!
Phil, around late 90s, friends n the church were buzzing about Warren. He recommended the ‘Mess-Age’ supposed Bible in contemporary language, so around 2000 I bought a nice leather bound one for my husband never having done one whit of proving to see if it there was anything to be concerned about. When my husband was diagnosed in 02, two different people gave us the Purpose Driven life. I opened it up, read a little and thought I’d wait till my husband and I could do it together. My husband was dyslexic and English wasn’t his first language although he was born here. He did learn to speak very good English without an accent, however, reading with that handicap and the dyslexia made it hard. That’s why I thought the Mess-Age would be something that might help. I really thank God he did not like it. I picked it up one day because he had put it in the bottom drawer and I thought I’d just do some ‘easy reading’. Oh my goodness, I turned to a few familiar passages and thought I would about pass out from shock. One was Romans 1. But then I started researching it, so once I began I saw how close Warren and that awful thing (the Message) were entrenched. This is not just a disagreement about a literal version, how it should have been translated, which translation is better. This thing absolutely has occult language. When I began researching Warren just on his own site, I saw so many things. Search gospel, you will find social type articles. Search for Rapture, you can’t find it. At the time, I started finding other things like hypnosis, yoga, Brennan Manning, Thomas Merton and all these different Catholic Mystics. I started looking in his book and finding things that were pantheistic in nature based on his usage of the ‘Mess-AGE’. (the mess that is New Age).
I remember bringing it to my pastor’s attention, who passed me off to the assistant pastor who was not happy with me as he said Warren was a ‘personal friend’. Evidently many people felt this way about this affable man, so they were willing to overlook things and simply not even question anything. I stopped attending the church services but attended a couple Bible studies, one was good Bible study that lasted for about seven more years. She was aware of Warren’s errors but unfortunately was given a MacArthur study Bible and started heading off into that path.
I’m glad you got out of there… sorry you had to deal with it.
Phil, good adds!
Belief in the finished work of Christ is all that is required to receive eternal life. A person is eternally saved, only when he believes that Christ has done everything necessary to pay for his sins.
Here’s a couple of other possible concerns of faith plus works churches: They will sometimes use the phrase “Sovereign Lord”; they will use the ESV version of the Bible VERY frequently, (like the church has “finally found the right version after all these centuries).” they will take up the “tithes and offerings” at the beginning of the service. (Note: offerings are fine, but tithing was under the law for the OT Jews only, NOT for Christians); when a church pastor or leader praises the words of Francis Chan, John MacArthur, Billy Graham, RC Sproul, Charles Spurgeon, or other false teachers who preach you must, in some way or another, earn your way to heaven. Unless a church correctly teaches that your eternal salvation has already been completely provided for you by Christ’s death for ALL your sins and his resurrection and all you have to do is trust Christ has saved you. If a church preaches you have to turn over a new leaf plus faith in Christ as you Savior, then leave that false teaching church.
Phil, yep. They know what the Bible says, but it doesn’t fit their beliefs, so they change the definitions of one or more of the terms.
You both hit the target. I have read various churches SOF’s and even if they say salvation is grace thru personal faith alone and don’t add anything else, their underlying definition of “faith” will include some of the following like, repent of sins, works, turning over a new leaf, or all of these ‘faith/works” conditions.
John 6:47, I agree completely.
LP proponents are concerned that “easy believism” will undermine their worldly desire to keep people in bondage to their pervasive religion.
I always find it amazing how LP (Loadship Probation) proponents always say that “easy believism” has permeated the modern church when it is just the opposite. Most megachurches (if they even have a doctrinal statement or give an invitation) will use LP terminology. Matthew 7:13-14 rings true every time.
Phil, it seems like most of the best-known preachers’ primary purposes are to teach that belief in Christ’s finished work is not enough to receive eternal life.
Rick Warren is one who seems to have this purpose. Following is a telling quote in which Warren supports the false gospel promoter Greg Laurie:
“We have supported the Harvest Crusades every year since it began. . .Greg Laurie is a man of great passion for Christ and personal integrity. He preaches an uncompromising presentation of the Good News in a loving, down-to-earth manner that today’s generation understands and responds to.”
Rick Warren – Senior Pastor, Saddleback Church
Oh my, correction to my last post: Hank H. father was the Bible Answer Man, so I guess that makes Hank H the Eastern Orthodox church answer man.
Over the years I have gotten to know more and more about Rick Warren and his “purpose driven church, and purpose driven this or that.”…I first heard about him around 2004 listening to the “Bible Answer Man” Hank Henegraaf. I was not a fan of Hank. It took a while to figure out he was LS, repent of your sins…. and seemed to have no problem with the likes of J MacArthur, Chuck Colson, and RC Sproul. Hank rejected dispensationalism and seemed to be Reformed Calvin leaning. But it never seemed that a evening show went by that he didn’t give accolades to Rick Warren. I was suspicious of Warren as I am of any mega church leader. Power corrupts…and so on.
It wasn’t until I came here to his Grace Oasis in 2013 that the light of truth was really shined on Rick Warren.
In March 2016 I started going to this Thurs. night mens’ Bible study that met at a McDonalds. The members were a cross section from different church backgrounds, which didn’t take long to catch onto. We were at the beginning of Genesis and I purposed a question: what happened before Genesis 1:1? I mean God and the angels, including Lucifer, didn’t just come into existence with verse 1, “In the beginning”. (I am an amateur astronomer for a hobby,, you know telescopes, etc, so I may have painted a target on myself at this Bible study) I don’t think we ever resolved this question.
Anyway, I kept coming each Thurs evening, but I started sensing some troubling things: Like one night an issue came up, something like, “what does the world really need?” And this one man answered, “We just need to do more repenting!” I wasn’t sure where they stood on how to be saved, so one night I took the opportunity to tell them a very un Hollywood movie I saw called “RISEN” and a scene where they had taken one of Christ’s disciples into custody trying to find out if they had stolen His body. The disciple told the Roman officer that no one stole his body; that Jesus had risen from the dead! The Roman asked, “and what does that mean to you?” The disciple answered “It means I have eternal life!” I said to the group, finally Hollywood got the good news right. Well, the members of this Bible study looked like they were speechless and in shock.. And I got the impression that they believed there was something more to being saved than just simply believing the good news of Christ’s finished work…The leader of the group was a pastor of this Christian Church (maybe something like Church of Christ?). Over the weeks this pastor was always printing up these handouts and kind of pressuring us to take these hand outs and given a donation. I resisted. I came there to study the Bible, not get handouts. But the red flag was that these handout were articles mostly written by Rick Warren. Apparently this pastor was a fan of Warren. And this pastor wanted everyone to read these and bring the handouts to the next Bible study.
I kept coming for a few more months, but by June 2016, no one showed up. Apparently, some of them took ths annual men’s church group fishing trip to Canada every June, so they would just postpone the Bible study for a few weeks. Anyway, I was fed up and I quit going and haven’t been back since. All the Rick Warren hand outs all ended up in my round file. No regrets.
Jason, you are right. Being martyred has nothing to do with receiving, keeping, or proving that one has eternal life.
An example of second century legalism
“2:3 And giving heed unto the grace of Christ they despised the tortures of this world, purchasing at the cost of one hour a release from eternal punishment. And they found the fire of their inhuman torturers cold: for they set before their eyes the escape from the eternal fire which is never quenched…”
This comes from the Martyrdom of Polycarp. That which was purchased in 33 AD cannot be “refinanced” in 156 or in 2017. Thank God, it’s paid in full. [It turns out that little actually survives of Polycarp’s writings, and this isn’t from him but about him.]
Brad, you are right. That’s because legalists view everything through the lens of the law, not grace.
So many verses in the bible legalists misinterpret to mean works for salvation when those verses actually teach no works for salvation. I keep seeing this irony over and over.
Yesterday I got into an argument with a Youtuber who defends Oliver Cromwell. His defense: the alternative being that England would be a Catholic country. They were all too Catholic for me.
Holly you’re right, guilt and shame are great DE-motivators really. I wanted to take that back almost as soon as I said it. I was thinking about how they are used to manipulate us on so many levels, but it just creates a mess in the end, messes with our heads probably. That’s where Grace is so different of course, it’s about a healthy motivation towards a loving God. So I guess I mean LS is just another symptom of mans distorted self-image.
Holly, Billy Graham seems to be one of the “untouchable” false teachers as well.
Hobbs – I was thinking about what you said about guilt and shame being great motivators. I kind of roll that around in my mind, and think back on how it worked in my life and how I’ve seen it work in others.
For me, it buried me and made me turn the opposite direction from God. I wasn’t denying Him (at least not in word) but I was hiding from Him I think, also I had given up. I could not do it, most especially in hard times, I failed far too often, and if I just ignored it, at least I wasn’t being accused as often.
For others I face these days, and over the last dozen years, it seems what I mostly see is that it has produced a way of measuring themselves by others. But there is no way they can correctly gauge where they are by other’s lives, nor by their own lives. They just don’t/won’t face that fact. They only declare how great they are and often will call you licentious or just say you want to sin to beat the band, something like that. But if all they said was true, and they were better than the one they are berating, they refuse to face the fact that only perfection will do.
Someone used the story of the rich young ruler to me, but of course as their example of whether we were ‘truly saved’ because we wanted it ‘easy’. They miss the point of the story, the impossibility for man to accomplish this, only through God are these things possible. They are so much like the rich young ruler in that they think they keep all the law too.
Johninnc – I found that word interesting too (smug). They often either bring words into their argument to accuse while at the same time self-condemning, which is the way of the accuser of the brethren. They accuse you of being proud while being haughty. They smugly uses words like smug in their false doctrine. They are are aghast you hold up doctrine or their anointed teachers to the light of His Word, so they call you false, they insist you are judgmental and critical while supposedly taking their beloved out of context. They miss the irony. They rail on you and call you a railer.
I have personal stories of each one of those listed above, all I had never heard of, most introduced to me by pastors. One business associate who was a ‘Christian’ was astounded that I hadn’t heard of the great Erwin Mcmanus or his Mosaic church. He almost fainted when I told him I had never heard of ‘The Shack’ either. Bible church pastors mentioned these men and maybe in the 90s most in the audience hadn’t, or maybe they just didn’t look them up. I did. What stories I can tell for daring to question them about them.
The worst I can think of though?
Questioning Spurgeon. Whether another ‘free-gracer’ or just an online friend or someone you fellowship with. They hold onto him fiercely and you are dead to them when they know you dare speak against his doctrine. At the very least they encourage you to chew the meat and spit out the bones.
Come to think of it, what I posted will probably be regarded an ‘outlandish quote’ in itself!?
Heard someone suggest we should ‘jettison the judeao element of judeao-christianity, with it’s load of guilt’. LS is largely fuelled by guilt. i.e. don’t smugly believe Christ alone will save you, you’ve got to DO something, you’ve got to suffer too. Guilt and shame are great motivators.
Whether or not one is smug, whether or not one suffers, or has any struggles. Anything to cause doubt and worry. Doubt is a suffering in itself. Throw in the theory that doubts are part of our faith, and you have a mess.
Interesting twist – according to this towering giant of theology (sarcasm intended), one’s hope of salvation rises on whether or not he is “smug.”
Do I have some outlandish quotes from Wurmbrand!
“Jesus was glad of my ‘No'”
From 100 Poison Meditations. Refers to his rejection of what Jesus did for him on the cross. In the context of a mystical prison experience, he exchanged the free gift for a trade.
“A man who smugly accepts Christ’s dying for him and shouts Hallelujah about the innocent Son of God receiving punishment he himself deserves should be more severely punished than before”
100PM. His word “smug” is like Bonhoeffer’s use of “cheap”, trashing the gospel. Warning passages from Hebrews flare up in my mind as I read it.
“The gospel, the good news, is the privelege of becoming a member of the Body of Christ, of suffering, of dying in pain, and also of being resurrected with Him in glory”
Like Bonhoeffer, he thinks Christ is the Church. He calls a work, a burden that no one can bear, a “privelege”. Like Stalin, he uses euphemistic language.
“We have improved upon your work”
From “Victorious Faith”. He is quoting Dostoevsky, and he thinks that Christ’s sacrifice is not enough. He agrees with that vile fictional character (a fiction I only now researched), the Grand Inquisitor, who said that the Church has no need of Christ.
“We form the inward life of God. We are not exterior to him”
New age mantras like this pepper his work, along with Jewish fables and Kabbalah.
Would that he went the whole way and threw in with the Communists. Liberation theology was an even further “improvement”. The Inquisition, the Third Reich, the People’s Republic, the Mark. The Wurm dieth not and the Brand is never quenched. I have no need of these “improvements”.
You might appreciate this ‘outlandish quote’ by Voddie Baucham.
Voddie Baucham from his sermon “The Doctrine of Total Depravity”
“One of the reasons that God makes human babies small is so they won’t kill their parents in their sleep. They’re evil. Yes, this is true of children.
John Gregory…tears… I remember two or three special encounters in my mind, and I do not know how someone can forget. We need to trust the gospel’s power and let the Lord give the increase. I remember being actually quite shocked one time, especially since she was an old Jewish woman who never had heard Jesus was her Messiah… She just started exclaiming I believe, I believe, I believe… I was so surprised and why should I be?
The gospel is the power of God unto salvation.
You know they go around all day long heaping up these teachers, they don’t want to use God’s Word to see if these men’s quotes are right…
It’s terribly sad if you watch on Facebook. I see a multitude of Spurgeon, and MacArthur and Washer quotes flip by daily in so-called ‘mainstream’ Christianity that profess to be discerning, but they don’t see the danger right in front of them.
I’ll add my humble AMEN to that as well, bro. John G!
Hello John Gregory
I have nothing to add to yours and Jack’s comments except to say ‘amen’.
I reckon I would be a great evangelist if I could have a captive audience. My beastly sons said that the best punishment we could give to terrorists was to lock them up in a room with me and my Bible. 🙂
God bless you John for ministering so faithfully to the lost.
Brother Jack, While the word “Evangelical” does not appear in Scripture, the word “Evangelist” does. In Acts 21:8, Eph.4:11, & 2Tim.4:5. I have claimed 2Tim.4,5 as my own, while doing Prison Ministry. I am saying this Not as a way of correction. That would never be my motive. I have too much respect for you to do that. My purpose is simply to say that my using the word Evangelical or Evangelist was always used with a sense of awe that God had called me to be an evangelist!
I am saddened by what the word Evangelical has become to mean by so many individuals that have robbed it of its true meaning, But, like you, will continue to evangelize every chance I have until the Lord returns or calls me home.
Other than the relationship that I enjoy with Jesus, the joy I encounter when the Holy Spirit uses my humble proclamation of the free grace gospel to the person standing in need of salvation, to have that individual be born again right before my eyes by the power of the Holy Spirit almost overwhelms me. The world has no joy equal to THAT!
God bless you,
John H. Gregory
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I think the word Evangelical has been hijacked by the left, yet I consider myself one — with careful explanation. I evangelize about my Savior Jesus Christ and God’s Word, etc.
Since neither of the words “Evangelical” or “Fundamentalist” appear in the Bible, I suppose we must approach them with some latitude and maybe suspicion, like the word “sovereignty” which likewise does not appear in the Bible and yet seems to be a Reformed/Calvinist trigger word for all their doctrine.
I do not adhere to the liberal, anti-Biblical National Association of Evangelicals (NAE) which has become an ecumenical mish-mash of “Lets All Join Arms and Become Apostate Together.” This is a group to avoid.
In Jesus Christ eternally, Jack
Hi Jack and all:
Good discussion. Growing up in a conservative Baptist church, I always heard and considered the term “Fundamentalist” to be an apt one and basically synonymous with “Conservative Christian” or “Evangelical Christian.” Evangelical basically means simply one who adheres to the gospel, the “euangelion,” the good news of Eph. 2:8-9, John 3:16, 1 Cor. 15:1-8, Titus 3:4-5, and Acts 16:30-31. I still call myself an Evangelical Christian. I know that Lou Martuneac’s site makes much of an alleged distinction between “Evangelical” and “Fundamentalist.” Has “Evangelical” as a term been hijacked by false teachers and fringe movements in recent decades?
Thanks for your comment.. I do not intend to be cranky and hateful — as you notice I simply printed quotes from some of the leading “evangelical Christians” of the day.
May I presume by your statement that you agree with some or all of these statements or you agree with the authors represented?
You said, “there’s enough that unites your belief systems into our one Christian faith. Why tear your brothers down?”
There is nothing in those quotes that represent a true fundamental Bible belief system. And if these are “brothers” as you say, then they need a good dose of Bible Doctrine on God’s Gracious Salvation in Jesus Christ alone. Otherwise it seems as if they need to trust or believe in Jesus Christ alone as their Savior. There is nothing in those quotes that leads me to think that they have trusted in Christ alone for their eternal life.
We Believers are told to warn against false teachers.. and that is what this post is about — false teachers. We warn and our readers may believe it or reject it.
In Jesus Christ eternally, Jack
With respect, I think it’s sad that you’re tearing down some of the great contemporary pastors/preachers of Christianity. You may not agree with everything they say, nor would they agree with your paticular view on the faith, but there’s enough that unites your belief systems into our one Christian faith. Why tear your brothers down?
I get that you may be touting the fact that your ‘narrow-minded’ in order to be ironic. But narrow-mindedness is not an attribute that we should strive for. Being sold out on what we believe – yes! But narrow minded as in closed, cranky, and even hateful. I don’t think so. But thank you for having the courage to share your convictions. God bless.
Scotty, you are not showing your age… Words still mean things…
Fundamentalist STILL means adhering to the Fundamentals of the Faith in my mind just as with you and many others.
In Jesus Christ eternally,
I guess I’m showing my age, in reference to one of Rick Warren’s comments, why I say I can remember when the world “fundamentalist” wasn’t a dirty word OR a put down…..
This is what I fear and they are who scare me.
Thanks preacherman for staying on course.
“Lov’n the Lord & Liv’n the Life…”
I appreciate your comments — and you are likewise a blessing.. Keep up your good work for our Savior… and Even so Come Lord Jesus.
In Jesus Christ eternally,
This of course sickens, but does not surprise, since God’s Word predicted we’d be here, bro. Jack as I know you know. (2 Ti.4:3f) Thankfully the darker it gets, the brighter His light can shine through us (Phil.2:15) Have I told you what a blessing you are to me lately, bro. Jack? If not, I apologize, because you are!