Luke 2:10-14:  And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.  For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.  And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger. And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,  Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.
The Christmas story from Luke proclaims the message of salvation found in Christ the Lord!
Please notice what it says, versus the bad news that is so often substituted by the world of churchianity:
Good tidings of great joy – the gospel is good news – the best news ever. It is about the gift of eternal life offered freely (without cost or obligation to the recipient) through faith in Christ:
Ephesians 2:8-9:  For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:  Not of works, lest any man should boast.
If the gospel that you have heard requires anything of you in return (such as the false Lordship “salvation” teaching that turning from sins, resolving to turn from sins, publically confessing Christ, persevering in faith and good works to prove you are saved, obeying the Ten Commandments, etc. are required in order to have eternal life) it is not good news. It is not the gospel!
Which shall be to all people – this means that eternal life is available to anyone on the same terms. It is not reserved for those whom God has chosen to receive eternal life.
John 3:16: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
1 Timothy 2:3-4:  For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;  Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Nor is there anyone who has eternal life who has not understood their need for salvation.
Romans 3:19-20:  Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.  Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
This includes Mary, mother of Jesus. Please note that she did not lead a sinless life, and was therefore in need of a Savior, just like the rest of us.
Luke 1:46-47:  And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,  And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
If the gospel that you have heard tells you that God chooses some to believe, while relegating everyone else to hopelessness, it is not the gospel – it is Calvinism. And, if your gospel tells you anyone has received eternal life some other way, it is not the gospel.
A Savior – please not that it doesn’t say “ a helper.” Jesus is not only necessary to save us. He is enough! No one is saved by believing in Jesus plus anything else.
Acts 4:12: Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
If the gospel you have heard teaches that faith in Christ must be accompanied by something else, it is not the gospel.
Which is Christ the Lord – this means that Jesus is God in the flesh. The only begotten Son of God.
John 4:25-26:  The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.  Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.
John 11:27: She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.
If the gospel that you have heard teaches that Jesus is simply a prophet, or a created being, it is not the gospel.
On earth peace, good will toward men – this means that those who have trusted in Christ alone as Savior have peace with God. This peace is permanent. It is not probation, it is eternal salvation!
Isaiah 9:6: For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Romans 5:1: Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
If the gospel you have heard teaches that you can have peace with God any other way than through faith alone in Christ alone, it is a false gospel.
If the gospel that you have heard contains anything other than good news, it is not the gospel! Please click here for more information on the Christmas story: THE GOSPEL
Those in Kenya who are looking for a place of safety, David Owuor aka the Two Dreadful Witnesses has you covered. Repent of sins at his altars and follow the perverted man who raises the dead and invokes serpents. Roddy “warns” you that if you reject Owuor, you will miss the rapture. Paul Weringa has a series of videos exposing this mess. These prophets make ridiculous statements and people are so delusional that they fall for them.
That’s sad John but “Bible Belt” troubles. It would not surprise me if the Ozarks are the earliest and hardest hit by natural disasters during the tribulation (maybe before). They sit on one of the biggest fault lines (New Madrid) in America and of course scripture has much to say about earthquakes and the apocalypse. But never mind all that those of you eager to go through the Tribulation (if only to get it over) buy your water, bullets, beef jerky and Ozark land, just be sure that the only “good” reason to do so is that Jim Bakker says so.
RAS, the landscape south of Charlotte is still littered with the remnants of Bakker’s earlier fraud.
John, those Hawaiian volcanoes can’t reach the Ozarks. Won’t you join us today in securing your safe harbor through the apocalypse? Don’t forget you’ll need water. No worries Jim Bakker has you covered. He alone has your back.
Holly, I’m surprised that some of these “churches” haven’t sent missionaries over to the big island of Hawaii to make sacrifices to the goddess Pele.
Wow… the Ozarks? How sad that they will continue to fleece their flock this way, but they are like any of the cults. They don’t have Scripture right, and so all their interpretations are going to be way off. Wonder how much land he owns there that he’s trying to pass off on his unsuspecting followers.
I forgot that Jim Bakker had his own dried food line… Well, they certainly can’t take it with them, how sad to have those storehouses full and die that night without having known Him.
The church I used to go to became a Mega church. It was an offshoot of my childhood church which they did not want the church to get too large, and my dad helped procure the land for the next couple of churches that came out of the original. Now they have many, all Mega churches. My childhood church, that pastor was celebrating Lent and Ash Wednesday with the Catholics. His Father (my old pastor of the offshoot church) had a picture of him and his wife in a yoga pose in their expensive high rise condo. The replacement pastor started letting everything in from the Purpose Driven Model, Beth Warren, the grief classes, psychology classes, alcohol and drug rehab classes, etc., not Bible driven but they touted them as such. Their elders began to get replaced with people like Wayne Grudem and another guy who endorsed the Mess-AGE ‘bible’ occult like paraphrase. Their married youth pastor became a Senior Pastor of another offshoot. He was just this last week outed for his sexual relations with teens while he was married, who know what else is to come out?
The point I’m making (and I know you know) is there is no accountability when churches get to that size. And all sorts of error starts to enter in. No wonder Paul wept day and night in tears for three years…
Phil, I agree. Many of these ministries/churches are just commercial enterprises preying on their flocks.
Jim Bakker runs his TV ministries like some corporate enterprise. There’s always something, some vision God has lead him to. First it was “Tammy World”, now it’s stock pile more food for the coming apocalypse.
In a way many churches run on the same big budget corporate way, and they must squeeze their flocks to tithe and give more and more…..Whatever happened to simple fellowships of believers coming together in the Lord? I don’t recall the churches Paul founded having big budgets and being run like a corporate enterprise.
I once attended this SBC church. The church auditorium was so large you need a big screen to see the pastor speak. He gave a we need more giving sermon saying that they had a $64 K budget every week. I guess it goes up every time they announce some new plans.
Jim Bakker is now hawking cabins in the Ozarks as the best place to ride out the coming apocalypse.
It is uncertain where Bakker plans to spend his proceeds.
Hi Jason, I am starting to realise the Protestants didn’t get the gospel right at all, so much double speak from Luther who is highly praised and John Calvin, the catholicism remained in their so called Reformation. It definitely is Catholicism lite.
Yes Holly agree, pastors are not checking if their itinerant preachers have the same gospel as theirs, so the body of christ then becomes confused about the gospel of grace and become Reformers without even realising it.
SDA = seventh day lordship
investigative judgement = fruit inspection
But SDA denying deity is one I haven’t heard
Alice, people who think one has to persevere to keep eternal life do not really understand that Christ died for their sins. Since they don’t understand, they can’t believe.
Matthew 13:19: When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
Curtis, yes, the Seventh Day Inventests are a cult.
Jason, like you, I don’t consider myself “protestant.” That’s just RC light.
I share your frustration Holly and others on this site.
Recently I got told, that God is not that ‘harsh’ if we don’t get the Gospel exactly correct or ‘fine-tune’ the Gospel of Grace. As long as people believe that Christ died for their sins, was buried and rose again according to the Scriptures ( 1 Corin 15: 1-4) that is all that is required for salvation. No need to get ‘worked up’ about whether they believed ‘Once Saved, Always Saved’ or that a believer can lose salvation later if they don’t persevere to the end or that they have to have ‘works and fruit’ to prove that they are ‘genuinely’ saved and so on.
J.B. Hixson recently gave a message: Is Grace Worth fighting For? using Gal: 1: 5-7 saying that it is vital to get the Gospel of Grace right, any perversion or distortion of that Gospel will NOT save the sinner. It is ALL of Christ, and nothing of us, except simple child-like faith in Christ’s finished work on the cross. Personally, I am getting to the point of contending for the faith is becoming too hard and difficult. If the Lord doesn’t come soon for His Bride, I don’t know how long I can hold on! I know that the Lord is holding me..Thank you Lord Jesus.
Just got a flyer in mail today for in home bible study.
it all looks good on surface…
“Find what you’re looking for now!”
“A Special gift Just for you”
“Faith for Family”
“is our world actually heading somewhere?”
“can i find peace, hope, and security in this life? ”
” what really happens when you die”
“why does God permit suffering and Dying?”
Now who wouldn’t want to find this stuff out? ..
Only after digging you find out its the seventh day adventist.
The SDA is a cult they do not believe Jesus is God. The SDA have no eternal security.
the SDA wants to re enslave the saved soul to the law.
One reason they don’t know better is that they think the “reformers” were Biblical. When I was confused by lordship, I had a high opinion of luther. When I listenen to Hanegraaff, I learned that the reformers taught, faith alone justifies but not a faith that is alone. That right there is a “but” added. It had me double-minded for nearly 20 years. When I heard MacArthur say the same thing, of course he had the authority of Calvin on his side. Like I was back then, most of these people are Protestants. Many of the lordshipper’s pet passages are drummed into them with their twisted interpretations. It took me extensive retraining with the help of this site and clear gospel literature see these passages differently.
You know we were just speaking of Gary Jackson’s church and the compromise there on FB, I did not relate it back to this conversation until today. Since I don’t know him or his church, hard to keep these people straight.
Here’s my frustration, and maybe others can share if they have felt this way.
These men who have subtly corrupted the simplicity that is in Christ have stolen away a lot of my life as they made me stumble over and over and over. From pastors, Sunday School teachers, Christian High School teachers, Authors, etc. Because these people were admitted to the flock by the pastors either by quoting them favorably (with no warning) or by allowing them to speak at the church, it felt safe to listen to these people.
I know better now, but why don’t the pastors who espouse the importance of a sound gospel know better? Why do they put up with them when they should cut off their opportunity to deceive others? The first thing they should check is their gospel. So many churches these days don’t even have it easily or readily available.
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we. 13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. 2 Cor 11:3-4,12-15
Thank you, so much, johninnc and jasonc65 for your helpful responses. John, they looked like add-on’s , contrary to the Gospel, to me, too. bit I was not sure. It was confusing. I so appreciate your help and this website.
Many blessings to you and all who contribute here. The Gospel presented correctly is so needed!!
The “invitation” can be active or passive. You invite Jesus in, or he is knocking and you let him in. Either way, it involves the heart. Either way, it confuses.
Until 14 months ago, asking God for forgiveness nevered bothered me. The possibilities for confusion are endless.
Susan P., welcome and thanks for your question.
The site that you linked contains false gospel add-ons, in my view.
Ask God to forgive and save you.
My comment: asking for salvation is not necessary in order to receive the free gift of eternal life. Only believing in Jesus as Savior is required.
You know God is knocking on your heart’s door, so ask Him to come into your heart. Believe in your heart and confess it with your mouth.
My comment: We do not receive eternal life by asking God to come into our heart. This is a misuse of Revelation 3:20, which is written to believers. Further, confessing Christ is not a requirement for receiving eternal life.
Invitation to, and excerpt from, “salvation prayer”:
If you’ve never committed your life, soul, and eternal destiny to Jesus Christ, then do it now! Turn to God through Jesus and He will give you a new heart and a new direction which will be your peace.
“Come into my heart, forgive my sin, and make me Your child. I give you my life. I will live for You as You give me strength.”
My comment: There is really no biblical precedent for a “salvation prayer.” This invitation and prayer together make it sound like asking Jesus to come into your heart, committing your life to Jesus, giving your life to Jesus, and vowing to live for Jesus are requirements to receive the free gift of eternal life. The Bible makes no such requirements.
The sites I am unsure of are too numerous to name.
Here is the page on salvation from the Superior Word website. I would welcome any comments. I am not sure about this.
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Thank you. We are in France and pray we can return (probably to around Knoxville, TN in 1-2 months)~Susan
JohnWI – I would like to hear also what they say.
I’m curious to know what they say. Lord willing, I plan on going this year, it will be my first time.
I contacted Quentin Rd. yesterday and made them aware of Gary Jackson’s church statement of faith. They were going to look into it and get back to me about it. I guess they were a little surprised by it, since he has been at the conference many times before. I will let you know what they say or do.
Everyone who is planning, or has gone to the conference needs to write the organizers and protest the compromise.
That excerpt is a straight lift from “The Baptist Faith and Message.”
Ryan, thanks for the heads up. I went to Gary Jackson’s church website to check it out for myself. You are right, there statement of faith is Calvinistic L/S. Here is part of there statement of faith.
” Repentance is a genuine turning from sin toward God. Faith is the acceptance of Jesus Christ and commitment of the entire personality to Him as Lord and Saviour.”
I am going to contact Quentin Rd and see what they have to say.
I will have to try and look him up when I go to the conference and get his explanation of where he stands on the gospel.
That really goes to show that you have to be vigilant in checking pastors/churches out, no matter who recommends them or where they hang out.
i looked at the website for myself as well.
Pastor Gary’s assembly is flat out lordship /loadship Works for and or evidence of salvation..
this is the thing that really bothers me. to me its the equivalent of bringing a jar of moonshine to church and passing out sample shots and saying no its not alcohol its the family recipe. We grew up on it.
this really messes with me spiritualy..
you think maybe Scudder or someone missed looking over a speakers background?
just because a speaker agrees with Grace Conference statement of faith. dont make it ok if they preach or belive something else at home church
Ryan, I agree that his church has a false definition of repentance, when used in the context of eternal salvation. The late Jack Weaver addressed this in an article he wrote almost 10 years ago. The article is entitled “Who Makes These Errors?” It is linked below:
I also think that it is strange that anyone who would feel comfortable with this error would feel comfortable at a Grace conference.
I was checking out the Grace conference, and when looking at the speakers I saw a couple of them were from Cincinnati (I live outside of the city), when looking at the church’s doctrinal statement where Gary Jackson preaches, I saw the phrase “repentance is a genuine turning from sin to God”, which I believe is how the Southern Baptist Convention words it. To me it is just weird to see a pastor whose church makes this statement, at a conference where the clear gospel is to be proclaimed.
Quentin Rd Bible Baptist in Lake Zurich, IL preaches the clear gospel and the biblical meaning of repentance (change your mind about what your trusting in to save you) when used in regards to salvation. Pastor Scudder, the founding pastor, was a Florida Bible college graduate, where Jack Weaver was a teacher I believe..They have the Grace conference coming up in July this year, which brings people together from all over the world, that stand for the clear gospel.
Yes I agree with Alice, I to listen to Andy Woods, has some very good teaching, has the clear gospel of grace, but does not practice biblical separation, mixes with people like David Reagan, Lamb and Lion Ministries who teach they can lose your salvation. So in essence he is promoting false teachers, dangerous.
The danger of not practising biblical separation, causes people and the body of Christ to muddy the gospel and become confused about the gospel.
There are some Baptist Churches that teach a grace gospel. Many though will add things like “repent of sins” to faith in Christ for salvation.
You just have to be discerning about any church or pastor.
all of The Baptist and mega evangelical assemblies that have multiple pastors always have one preaching law another grace. but a perverted grace that always deals with the symptoms and never getting to the source of our problem. They do not know how to deal with the old sin nature as scripture does.
Most use water baptism as a power when it is an identification principal in living the Christian Life..
Christ Died for me that is substionary attunement.. thats enough to Go to heaven to receive the free gift of eternal life. but it is not enough to live the Christian life. the Christian life is lived by the Holy Spirit that beautifully exludes us as we delight ourselves in our free gift of salvation..
by enjoying the Word of God
by resting The faith rest life.
our problems dont go into the meat grinder to produce acceptable works.
No the promises of God go into the meat grinder that produce Works by the Holy Spirit.
We only need to maintain fellowship
reckoning ourselves dead to sin and alive unto God..
Confessing sin agreement with God against ourselves
Presenting ourselves To God
Baptist churches and all of Churchanity miss that completely. for the stumble over water baptism and self impossed behavior patterns..
Ditto on Ken Ham
He is in camp with Ray disComfort.
His ministry, AiG, also leans towards dominionism.
Brian, agree regarding Ken Ham.
Ken Ham unfortunately slips under the radar of some churches. He’s a prominent creationist/anti-evolutionist and now even has a big Ark. So he is given pulpit engagements.
Answers in Genesis teaches that turning from sins is required for salvation.
Ryan, the danger is that those believers with a clear understanding of the gospel will be corrupted into fruit inspection or outright works for salvation (willingness to turn from sins, etc.), and that the assaults on the gospel will keep lost people lost.
I just started attending a bigger baptist church in my area (outside of Cincinnati, OH), and I am having the same concerns with my pastor, they have a clear statement that salvation is grace through faith plus nothing, and only trusting Christ’s finished work is able to save you and they believe OSAS. I am in college, and when looking at past sermons in the college age group, the college pastor talked about how one can be saved and not have any works to “prove” that they are saved. However the head pastor seems to quote heretics, and recently had Ken Ham speak (who preaches false gospel) and had a missionary who ended up saying discipleship is proof of salvation. It can be confusing, especially for those with who are spiritually and scripturally ignorant, with it being a bigger church, I would guess a fair amount of people are.
if i may post a thought.
myself personally if there was a church assembly that at very least had a doctrinal statement like sugar land bible church they also even have a postional statement as well. I would hope to be there.
In my area we are surrounded by Churches with works for salvation and sanctification gospels.
vary basic dispensational teaching is not heard. its all Topical and spiritualizing (reading into scripture)
I would hope to enjoy an assembly with a solid doctrinal Gospel of Grace stand.
Preachers /Teachers can get off course just as easy as anyone else.
We all have Tea leave tendencies that could lead to spiritual adultry (mentally) if left unchecked.
Jim, I think believing in Jesus as Savior includes believing that He died (physically) for our sins.
Yes, thanks for the Robert Dean warning. He teaches some error on the atonement. Though he might be for a grace method of receiving eternal life, it is a moot point if you’ve tampered with the object of your faith.
I have spoken to Andy Woods on the matter and advise people to be careful with him. He tried to excuse away the Dean issue when I asked him about it and is loose with associations and quotes. Though he may have the gospel itself clear possibly.
I think he may still be on my facebook friends list but I have not been too impressed with his political stuff. It’s a mixed bag if you ask me. I guess if that is the only church in a person’s area that understands the gospel… Big IF.
Curtis, agree. Best to avoid corruption of the gospel completely.
Curtis, I think Tom is generally careful in avoiding quotes from people that he knows corrupt the gospel.
to date from the messages I have listened to
Tom Cucuzza and Yankee Arnold do not quote other authors (that are alive) other than to point out the error of their gospel message.
there maybe others this is my personal experience.
I love the response Jesus gives in front of Pilate.
john 18:33 Then Pilate entered into the judgment hall again, and called Jesus, and said unto him, Art thou the King of the Jews? xref-3
34 Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me?
I dont know why sound doctrine gospel of grace Teachers/Preachers like to quote other author’s. To me personally I remember the author quoted and why they would quote the person. then struggle to remember anything else in message.
I recently listened to a Pastor in my area who delivered a decent gospel of grace invitation but quoted John MacArthur.
then there very next sermon stumbled all over the simple gospel of grace.
to me if a pulpit delivers a clear Gospel of Grace message with clear doctrinal statement.. and consistitently delivering
I will raise concern over false doctrine and give a pass.
im convinced from my own experience that a pulpit can not deliver a clear Gospel of grace message if the Pulpit person persist in quoteing false gospel authors.
false doctrine has the same affects as alcohol in spiritual matters of growth. left unconfessed the affects are permanent.
we either seperate ourselves in our thinking unto Truth by repentance (changeing our minds) or we go carnal apostate
Thanks Johninnc, Curtis and Holly for your feedback. I value your opinions.
Alice, if someone quotes them with a clear warning, that still bothers me. But that rarely is the case. Why quote men that have a corrupted gospel? Why have fellowship with the unfruitful deeds of darkness rather than exposing them? I can only assume they rather prefer the praise of men than God and feel that by compromising they can get God’s Word out or that the ‘quote is good’ (something I’ve heard frequently when I protest them quoting these people). Andy is lacking in discernment at the very least. Who are we to compromise the truth of God’s Word? I don’t know why they don’t tremble at His Word and know that there is everything they need there and no need to quote these heretics.
No, I don’t think it’s harsh to expect that we not allow a little leaven in.
i hear you Alice and am working through this myself.
would like to respond later, with some more thought.
Alice, I am not comfortable with ministries that knowingly quote teachers who corrupt the gospel. For more on that topic, please are the article linked below:
With regard to Pastor Andy Woods from Sugar Land Bible Church, he has done an excellent series on Eternal Security and Doctrine of Soteriology over 40 sermons and on ‘Bible and Voting” and now he is doing a series on The Coming Kingdom”. which are very insightful and instructive. I have learnt a lot from his teaching. However, I have a small concern: he tends to quote John MacArthur, Billy Graham and Charles Spurgeon and other Lordship-teachers favourably at times although he says he doesn’t agree with everything they teach and does give a ‘mild’ warning and caution regarding their Calvinistic leanings. Also he appears with David Reagan, VCY America Cross talk and Olive Tree Ministries on their TV or Radio programs to endorse his latest book on The Coming Kingdom and to discuss the subject. But some of these ministries are not clear on the Grace Gospel and some of them believe that a believer can lose their salvation (David Reagan I am told) and others are Calvinistic in their doctrine so they believe a ‘genuine’ believer will persevere until the end of life, if not, they were never ‘truly’ saved. It gives the appearance that Andy Woods endorses their ministries even if they are not clear on the Gospel.
These are my personal thoughts, others may disagree with me. Do you think I am being too harsh on Andy Woods for not separating from some of these ministries that corrupt or pervert the Gospel or at the very least not explain the gospel clearly and establish the believer in eternal security in Christ Jesus’s finished work on the cross? Their main focus is Bible Prophecy and current political and social issues.
I would appreciate your feedback.
We would urge caution regarding Robert Dean, if he is the same pastor mentioned in the attached article below:
I know of two Free Grace Churches in the Houston area—West Houston Bible Church (Pastor Robert Dean) and Sugar Land Bible Church (Pastor Andy Woods). I know Houston is huge so they may not be close to Clear Lake. Both have online ministries as well. Both Pastors teach from the text of scripture and stand against Lordship.
Kim, it is great to hear from you. We are glad you are here. My wife and I also often listen to Tom Cucuzza. For those who don’t know, Tom is currently gong verse-by-verse through Revelation.
Clear Lake (Houston), TX. Aggies, Texans and Astros!
My husband and I sure appreciate this site, also. We do church online, too, learning from Dr. Dennis Rokser, Dr. Tom Cucuzza, Dr. Ralph “Yankee” Arnold, and the late Dr. Hank Lindstrom. There are many churches around us, but all are strongly LS in their teaching.
I’ve been attending a church online that does live streaming on YouTube. The channel is “TheSuperiorWord” and the pastor is OSAS and against LS. He does use some sources that are LS, such as Sproul, when he gets something correct, but will point out where Sproul gets the Gospel wrong. He’s also the best expositor of the Old Testament that I’ve heard thus far, although he’s a little dry. He’s gotten a lot of heat from the Hebrew Roots and KJO people for pointing out their error also.
same here in my area , I am surrounded by churches but no clear Gospel of Grace being proclaimed .I attend church via live webcast for now .
I do get hungry for live fellowship but when attempt to fellowship at local churches if not asked to leave. I usually get upset from a dose of legalism coming out of and recognizing both ditches of legalism and license i’m real sensitive to them now.
most all denominations started here in my area with the “river brethren”
Alice, I understand, and thank God with you… ❤
The feel down here is that this Falcons team is playing at a level we’ve never seen before. I don’t know if the Falcons are the better team, but it appears they are the “hotter” team. But we shall see.
On another note, it doesn’t appear there are any fellow metro Atlantans here. That’s fine, I still enjoy the fellowship here despite the fact a read here a lot more than comment.
Alice, it is great having fellowship with you and the other people on ExPreacherMan. We have much of the same situation with the churches in my area.
We are from ‘The Land Down Under’, Adelaide. South Australia!!
We may be on the other side of the planet, but you guys are the closest thing to true fellowship for us, God bless you all for your instruction and encouragement in the Grace of Christ. We haven’t come across any ‘Grace’ churches close to where we live. So sad..!! They are all in to ‘turn from your sin’ and ‘endure till the end’ for salvation….
Apparently the Falcon’s are for real. But are they good enough to beat the Pats?
Did someone say SoCal?
Curtis — if we would just realize that we that our ‘wealth’ does not provide us with what we need. That we would see our wretchedness, how we are miserable, lacking in what is important, blinded to the truth that we were set free from (2 Pet 1:5-9)… praying all is well with you and your family ❤
North Central KS
Wildcats and Chiefs
SoCal here, which explains a lot, doesn’t it?
I Live In Lebanon PA.
an old drinking buddy would say
“Football suxs and so does everyone who whatches it ”
i didn’t say it my friend did ,
that’s how pulpit people try to get away from taking a stand on something by quoting someone else (personality celebrity author) . so if there is a shift from neutral by an objection they have a scape goat .
while all along neutral (lukewarm) makes Jesus sick
Alas, Browns need revival.
Seems like were all scattered everywhere. Oh well we may be apart physically but were united in Christ and in our love of the free grace gospel of the Bible.
Milwaukee, WI. GO PACK
Shreveport, LA. Go LSU!
I just moved from Scottsdale to North Phoenix, Arizona. I will try to share some more Bill Hybels info tomorrow.
Cartersville, GA just about an hour dive north on I-75 from Atlanta. Since we are showing our local teams some love, I am excited to see what my Falcons will do in the playoffs.
Russell i often thought the same thing im from northern wi (go packers) always learning from you all and growing in grace.
Cool Phil! The Royals got one (never thought that would happen) is it the Chiefs turn? Certainly these are signs of the times (kidding). I think one difference between Hybels/Warren and Dollar is that Dollar must flaunt the money; it’s part of his gospel—prosperity. Hybel’s puts on a more humble front, a common cause with the disenfranchised (Palestinians and the like) while seeking the big return $$$. Hybel’s and his wife are very much involved in BDS and “Christ at the Checkpoint”.
Me too also from NE Ks. Go Chiefs!
I don’t trust any of these mega church guys, Hybels, Warren, Creflo Dollar… or whoever. There are obvious ones on the air like Jim Bakker who always seems to be pushing survival stuff to keep the money supply coming to his show. I guess he thinks we are all going through the Tribulation.
NE Kansas- Go Chiefs!
I’m in southern NC.
I will start. I live in SW Washington State.
Russell, perhaps people could indicate their city, or region if they would like.
Johninnc, Is there anyway that those of us who read and comment here can find out if we are close to each other? I know privacy is a concern but it would be sad to live 10 miles from a fellow believer in Gods free gift of salvation and not know it. Any thoughts?
Johninnc, thanks for the information. Holly, any other info. on him would be appreciated.
That’s amazing, I never “connected the dots” about those things before. Thanks for sharing.
Russell, Holly knows some about him. He is listed in our WikiHeresy. Please hold your cursor over his name in Wikileaks for a brief overview.
Guys, what can you tell me about Bill Hybels?
Holly, thanks for sharing.
I learned that in a ‘connecting the dots’ Bible class (seeing the significance from the Old Testament as speaking to the future Covenant).
If Passover lambs had a leg broken it made the sacrifice unacceptable. (Exodus 12:46). And since Jesus was our Passover Lamb, there was yet another prophecy fulfilled when they decided not to break His legs.
For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. Jn 19:36
He was pierced through His side as it was prophesied, (when was God crucified for man?) Cursed is the man who hangs from a tree, but He hung on the tree for us, and took our curse for us.
His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God)…. Deut 21:23a
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: that the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. Galatians 3:13-14
Holly, thanks for this comment. I didn’t know about the significance and meaning involved with swaddling clothes.
I always appreciate the ‘swaddling cloths’ for He was the perfect sacrifice.
The Shepherds were outside the camp, they were the lowliest of the people. This was the same place the bodies of the sacrifices were burned, where the lepers were sent, where in Hebrews 13 we are told to join Jesus in His reproach, without (outside) the camp.
The Shepherds watched over the sacrificial lambs, and in order to keep them without blemish, from the time they were born, until the time of sacrifice, they were wrapped in Swaddling cloths to keep them from nicking their fur, cutting themselves, or doing something that would cause them to be an unacceptable sacrifice.
Isn’t it significant that our humble Savior, the suffering Servant was announced to the humble keepers of the sacrifices (lambs)? That He was wrapped in those same swaddling cloths?
John the Baptist told us who Jesus was…. Behold the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the World.
Thank you for this John… you covered much of what people miss in the good news of why He came.