How Eternal is Eternal Life and How Secure is Eternal Security?

By Jack Weaver

John wrote a wonderful article June 30th about the precious Bible verse John10:28. I have recently corresponded with some of our dear friends in Australia so I analyzed for them the verse John 10:28. In doing so, I investigated the meanings of some of the exciting words in that verse.

It answers the question, How Eternal is Eternal Life and How Secure is Eternal Security.

Our Australian friends had been witnessing to a gentleman who proclaimed that a believer can walk away from an ETERNAL relationship with Jesus Christ.

John 10:28: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

I usually like to ask such folks; “When Jesus Christ gives you ETERNAL life upon belief, what does the word ETERNAL really mean to you”?

The Greek word for ETERNAL is Aionios, and it means perpetual – eternal, forever, everlasting.

That is very clear and pronounced by Jesus Himself  – it is absolute and not debatable.

The most interesting and amazing word in that passage is the word NEVER. It is a compound word made up of four different words or word phrases.
These words are:  Ou me, Eis, Ho, Aion.

Ou Me is a double negative strengthening the denial; not at all, by any (or no) means, neither, never, in no case (no wise), nor ever, not at all in any wise.

Eis is a primary preposition; for in any place, time, or any purpose — continual, far more exceeding, for [any intent, purpose], of one mind, never perish.

Ho including the feminine he, hay; and the neuter to, in all their inflections; the definite article – the, this, that, one, he, she, it, etc.

Aion is from, and the same as, the Greek word (aei); properly an age; by extension perpetuity (also past); by implication the world; (present or future) – age, course, eternal, forever (forevermore), the beginning of the world (since the world began, world without end).

So we see the ETERNAL implications of what Jesus personally promised to every person who believes in Him, that they would NEVER perish.

That statement, by Jesus, includes:
Male, female, neuter.
• It means eternal, never ceasing, world without end.
• It means in any place, any time, or for any purpose not at all, by no means, never, in no case, no wise, not ever, not at all in any case.

Read that over carefully and digest it fully.

Shortly after I trusted Christ as my Savior, the man who led me to Christ preached a sermon explaining John 10:28. He included all of explanations I have used here. I was surprised, amazed, thrilled and excited.

How much more definitive, fixed and final could ETERNAL life and NEVER PERISH be, especially when promised by the Savior, Jesus Christ Himself?

A person who says they are Christian but does not believe in Eternal Security has probably never taken the time to check out the depth and meaning of those powerful words in John 10:28.

The bottom line, by Jesus Himself:
Eternal Life is proclaimed ETERNAL!
Eternal Security is Proclaimed ETERNALLY SECURE.

We need never doubt our eternally secure position in Jesus Christ. If we do, we would be saying to Jesus, the Creator of the Universe “I don’t believe you”!! Would you stand Him to His face and say that?

Titus 1:2: In Hope (guarantee) of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

The Gospel of Jesus Christ IS the Power of God unto salvation (Romans 1:16). If a person chooses not to believe Jesus, as Jesus Himself proclaimed in John 10:28, he is calling Jesus a liar.

We pray you have trusted Jesus Christ alone as your eternal Savior. If not, please do so right now. Read the link below, study the Scriptures therein and trust Jesus.

Eternal Life, God’s FREE Gift to You

97 responses to “How Eternal is Eternal Life and How Secure is Eternal Security?

  1. Foreigner Chris…

    You are quite humble and honest, and all I can say is may the Lord bless you and the rest of the body, we need each other. I think one thing I was able to settle on after awhile is Romans 7 became my personal understanding with this struggle, this war our soul has with our flesh. The answer is that we cannot do it without Him. So we turn to Him for help.

    This story, this walk, is not our testimony. I always wondered why I didn’t have this wonderful testimony to share like the more spiritual people (not mocking them, some have great stories to share, others, it’s just about them not Him).

    My testimony is that I get up, and if I don’t get my necessary food, I’m going to have a more difficult day. If I get distracted from feet time (Lk 10:38-42), it’s going to be a rough week likely. If I don’t let Jesus wash my feet, if I don’t admit something when I realize it, my flesh is going to gain some ground. That’s my story. I need to remember to turn my eyes upon Jesus. My part is to abide in Him, to continue in His Word. And that I try to do with His help. And when I forget or turn aside, to get right back up again with His help. In Thanksgiving that He is keeping me.

  2. Chris, there are a lot of people who are very good in their own eyes, and who try to be virtuous. But, no one can meet the standard of perfection required by God unless they receive the imputed righteousness of Christ by grace through faith in Christ.

    Given all of the error this pastor teaches, he is someone who should be marked and avoided. We don’t need any further convincing.

  3. Foreigner Chris

    Holly, yes, I know, the “beam that is in thine own eye” (Matt. 7:3) is not the appropriate reference in this case. Here correction was necessary. I’m aware of my current serious superficiality and inaccuracy, since lately I’ve “lost spiritual track” a bit.
    Preaching a false gospel is a most serious matter, and whoever does so is accursed. That’s for sure, even though it may not seem so yet.
    Lately I’ve been thinking a lot about what exactly “but denying the power thereof” (2 Tim. 3:5) means. Actually very simple. Thanks for the clarification! The Bible interprets itself.
    This pastor is a difficult case. I remember he also once said that, in a practical sense, he had actually been very righteous already before his conversion from Catholicism, in terms of attitude toward sin, practical lifestyle, and in his behavior. He said that already back then he had not sinned much and greatly. – Maybe, but it sounds kind of “suspicious” to me, like repentance from Catholicism to the faith of the biblical Gospel was more of a formality, right?
    Thanks again for helping and praying.

  4. Phil, yeah, I have heard that too. Whether they keep the law or not (Israel), we know that no one was ever saved by keeping the law (Gal 2:16; Acts 13:39).

    Although I believe (as you do) that the Holy Spirit’s restraining influence is removed when the church is, I believe He is the sealing of the 144,000 and I believe that has to be the same for the rest who believe during that time period.

  5. Chris, I was basically referencing this passage regarding them being self-condemned.

    But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself. Titus 3:9-11

    I am sure there are some that are sincere, they are deceived. But even as they are deceived, as teachers they are deceiving themselves (and sadly others).

    As far as the flourishing quite well, I always think on Luke 6:26

    Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.

    It is natural to see someone who has a form of godliness and wonder, but remember, they deny the power thereof (which is the gospel – Rom 1:16-17; 1 Cor 1:17-18). Remember, the false prophets of Matt 7 looked like sheep outwardly and they did many wonderful works, which John has brought up before, Jesus never denied.

    The beam and judging is said to be between brothers, and how can you know a man, likeable or not, to be a brother when he preaches a false gospel? So judging a person, versus judging the fruits of false doctrine, are two different things.

  6. Phil, I’ve heard that line of thought before, and a few years ago stopped conversation about it. I am glad you don’t believe it either. Those who say we will “go back” to faith plus keeping the law to be saved are in error both in thinking that faith plus keeping the law were ever required to receive or keep eternal life, or that it will resume after the rapture.

    While I appreciate the opportunity to affirm my position, I would respectfully ask that we not open the topic up for further discussion.

  7. Thanks john, the reason I bring it up is there are those who say that once the church age is over after church is caught up and the HS is no longer present, then the conditions for salvation revert back to the OT faith plus keeping the law to be saved.
    I believe there is one gospel message for anyone to be saved (1 Cor 15:1-4) that won’t change even after the church is caught up and the tribulation begins.

  8. Phil, I believe the gospel message will be the same in the future. I see no conceivable way for it to be by faith plus works and/or perseverance.

  9. Question: Do you believe that during the Tribulation the gospel message will be the same as for the church age, trusting Christ alone as Savior plus nothing else; or will it be faith plus requiring works and perseverance for salvation? I believe the gospel message stays the same in the future as it does now.

  10. Foreigner Chris, we are glad that you find this site to be a blessing. We are privileged to have visitors from all over the world. I don’t know what the relative spiritual situations are in Europe vs. the US, but I know that there are attacks on religious liberty in both places, and that there are lots of people who are in spiritual darkness.

    For those who aren’t aware, Ron Shea’s gospel booklet is available online in many different languages, including German, French, Polish, Ukranian, Spanish, Italian, and Russian. Please see link below:

  11. Foreigner Chris

    Thank you, John and Phil. You are absolutely right, of course.
    As far as worldwide ecumenism is concerned, this pastor can at least be credited with preaching strongly against it and proclaiming the Lord Jesus as the only way. But blindly he himself is not on this way so far! Thanks for the encouragement and for your prayers, I join you in them.
    It seems to me that the spiritual situation in Germany and Europe is generally even much worse than in the USA nowadays.
    I’m grateful for you upholding this ministry, defending the central basic truth of God’s grace. Especially in these spiritually (and in general) very difficult and crazy times, I keep coming back and getting rescued here.
    God bless

  12. For those who aren’t aware, Tom Cucuzza has a great booklet on eternal security. Please see link below:

    Click to access cucuzza-the-permanence-of-salvation.pdf

  13. God foreknew us who chose to trust Christ for our eternal salvation before the foundation of the world. This Holy Spirit has forever sealed us. We have died with Christ, buried with Him, and have been raised with Him when we believed the gospel, the good news of our salvation. It’s is finished and God has a place for us in Heaven.

  14. Chris, the man of whom you are speaking is preaching a false gospel.

    I have prayed for him. His testimony is that he does not believe the gospel now. We can never know if he has ever believed in Jesus as His Savior. I have prayed that if he knows Jesus as Savior, that he will grow in grace and in the knowledge of Jesus, and if not, that he will hear the gospel and understand, so that he might believe and be saved. I have prayed that he would turn from the false, accursed gospel that he is teaching. I have prayed the same for those whom he has deceived and is deceiving.

    Those who have never believed the gospel are not “alright with God.” And, preaching a false gospel is not “alright with God.”

    Earthly success and popularity are no measure of correct doctrine, and false gospels and ecumenical mishmoshes are extremely popular. After all, straight is the gate and narrow the way and FEW find it.

    Chris, if we all waited until we had no sin to witness and pray for others, we could never do it.

  15. Foreigner Chris

    May I ask your opinion on something?
    Holly, you said that false doctrine eventually always leads to condemnation (which actually should be true, I believe). There is a quite well-known pastor in Germany, a theologian, who is firmly convinced that you can lose your salvation (basically he says: “Love Jesus, or he will burn you” – although he would never put it that way, of course), but a very gentle and dear and godly person. He said he is a happy and joyful Christian, visibly trying to make such an impression, while to me he seemed rather anxious and burdened.
    Having ordered some of his gospel tracts years ago, I know that their message is strictly Arminian. However, he writes that every time he handed out gospel tracts on the street, he was very blessed.
    I listened to a sermon by a young preacher of his church, and the message was horrible Arminian heresy.
    This pastor and his church greatly fear a possible apostasy and are very concerned about loving Jesus enough in future persecution so as not to be unfaithful to Him and go to hell. – To add that: He’s certainly not a deliberate false teacher, but a sincere man who wants to love God with all his heart, and that probably applies to the whole church. But he grew up as a Catholic, which might explain some things. To me, he’s still catholic, although he would protest strongly against that claim. He sees himself as a Bible-believing Christian according to God’s Gospel of Grace in the Lord Jesus Christ.
    And what amazes me about this is: His church seems to be flourishing quite well (partly with Russian-Germans), he has international contacts and seems to be as blessed as he always claims to be for quite a long time now.
    I, for one, unfortunately ended up in a very miserable carnal state, not a good balance sheet, as I feel very strongly now (though at least on the internet I have never stopped sharing the Gospel and defending the truth of the Bible wholeheartedly in comments since I myself have suffered greatly from false preaching). While this pastor seems to be alright with God. I don’t want to be envious, but I wonder in view of his doctrine. – However, in my own condition, I probably have no right to pray for him to repent (the beam in my own eye).

  16. Holly, I have prayed fdor the gentleman you mentioned.

  17. Kevin, that is an interesting insight. I’m also sure that’s the case with some. I’ve had some tell me that their own child or family member is ‘living this or that way’, so they cannot be saved. Of course I cannot know if that person believed the gospel, but they do not base it on belief. They base it on performance or ‘fruit’. And it will condemn them eventually in the end, heresy always does.

    I’ve asked pastors who were condemning others what the remedy. And they acted as if I was an idiot. If they suspect a person doesn’t believe the gospel, the remedy is to share the true gospel with them. If they believe the person is not living the way they should and has believed, then feed His sheep.

    But we know they flog, accuse and condemn people sadly. I pray your guy will come to the truth. I had a guy came to the house selling the steaks/chicken etc. a couple of days ago. I told him to use our chairs and sit down if he wanted. (He did use the love seat out door furniture to display the meat, but he did not sit down). Afterwards, we made a deal on something (which we really didn’t need) and I gave him one of Tom’s booklets and wrote some things down for him on it. He said he already believed in God, and so I just said that was great, and maybe he could read through it then, and use it to share with someone else. I hope too that he has believed, and if not, that he will look at the booklet.

  18. Keith, I have prayed for the gentleman to whom you witnessed.

    I suspect you may be right about bitterness leading some to hold to works salvation. Whenever I see a comment like “there’s a special place in hell for him,” or the like, it makes me wonder if the person who makes the comment is holding to a works form of salvation.

  19. Today I witnessed to a guy who came to my house to install a new microwave oven. He told me, “I don’t believe in once saved always saved”. After taking him through the verses on eternal security and explaining to him the Biblical meaning of repentance, he remained insistent that if you sin too much and don’t make an ongoing effort to turn from sin, you will not make it to heaven. I gave him one of Tom Cucuzza’s tracts and a pocket New Testament, so I hope maybe the Holy Spirit will use them to make an impression on him at some point.

    As I talked with him, I sensed that maybe someone had hurt him in the past and he was perhaps holding the threat of hell over that unnamed person’s head while holding on to bitterness. While that may or may not be the case with this individual, I think that sometimes the motive of people who hold to a form of works salvation may be to “punish” someone they refuse to forgive for a personal wrong by choosing a standard for entering heaven that they think the unforgiving person does not meet.

  20. I saw some had read this from my site, and it sadly was a stark reminder of how many believe they have to keep themselves. I read a post by the late Chuck Smith of Calvary Chapel and he was so inside out on eternal security, it was all of his doing, whether he abided or not, so tragic, and I don’t understand how people even DREAM they can somehow contribute to being or staying saved. How arrogant, how foolish…how deadly!

  21. Thank you Jack ❤ Will be seeing you one day soon.

  22. Note to the reader who found this website by searching “my pastor told me that I can lose my salvation.”

    Your pastor is wrong. He needs to know the truth. Meanwhile, he is not qualified to be a pastor. You need to get away from him, and anyone else who denies God’s promise of eternal life to believers.

    Please read the booklet linked below:

    Click to access cucuzza-the-permanence-of-salvation.pdf

  23. Cody – no, your teacher friend seemed to be mixing up 1 John 1:8-9 with 1 John 3:9. We in the flesh, do sin, as it says. And we confess those sins for fellowship. 1 John 3:9 speaks to the new creation, which your teacher evidently doesn’t understand the difference. He is going between prasso and poieo and missing the point, the incorruptible is just that, incorruptible seed that we were born again of. Your teacher obviously is Arminian and does not believe in eternal security. Many Church of Christ, or AOG or Pentecostal churches teach this way.

    I recommend this video, and also Pastor Tom Cucuzza’s two part series, “Understanding the two natures”.

  24. Preston, I just sent it.

  25. Cody,

    you are correct. using a KJV.

    the greek word that means “practice” is prassw. The greek word in 1 John 3:9 is the opposite of practice (according to strongs) and that is poiew.

    keep reading in the passage “for he CANNOT sin”.

    this would contradict 1 John 1 – if we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves.

    Also, in Romans 7:14-28 – this was Pauls struggle with sin where Paul admitted he “practiced” sin (verse 19 – the greek word prassw). IF one cant “practice” sins, then Paul was not saved according to this man.

    John, can you forward Cody a pdf copy. its more detailed in there.

  26. Cody, your friend’s interpretation of 1 John 3:9 is different than mine. The KJV says “doth not commit sin.” That is, the new man (new nature) is incapable of sin. It is not a matter of “practicing” or “continuing” to sin.

    If your friend’s interpretation were correct, no one could ever know whether or not he was saved. Everyone would be his own judge, based on his works. The Bible provides no quantification standard short of Christ’s imputed perfection.

    Sin has consequences. We reap what we sow. But, loss (or forfeiture) of eternal life is not one of the consequences of sin. One either has eternal life, or he NEVER had it. See Matthew 7:23 (“I never knew you”).

    Christ paid for all of my sins – past, present, and future – irrespective of how I live my life.

  27. Hey yall, I went to Sunday school today and found out that unfortunately my teacher was preaching that one can forfeit there salvation. He contradicts himself by saying you can’t loos your salvation but you can forfeit it. His enology was if you loos something like a phone that is loosing it, but if you give it back to the giver then you don’t have it any longer and you never lost it. I tried to explain to him with scripture that his view is inaccurate and dangerously false. I showed him 1john 3:9 where it basically states that one who is born of God cannot sin because his seed remains in him. And I challenged him in saying if we cannot spiritually sin any longer how can one forfeit there salvation? This is an email that he sent me after church.

    Cody, my friend:

    I appreciate your input in Sunday school today, however you made references to some information that is completely inaccurate and it must be corrected.

    You referenced 1 John 1:9 and said the word πιστός (pistos), represented the concept of a single act of sin. This word you quoted is the word for faith and it is the only word for faith in the New Testament. The word for sin is ἁμαρτίας (hamartias) and it is the only word in the New Testament for sin. In both instances where it appears in 1 John 1:9, it is a noun in the accusative case and it is plural. It is not a single act of sin, but our collection of sins.

    You also stated that once we have accepted Christ we can no longer sin.

    1 John 1:8 immediately preceding the verse you used as a reference states: “If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.”

    It would seem evident that you intended to refer to 1 John 3:9, which says:

    “Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.” NKJ

    “No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.” NIV

    “No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” NAS

    “Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God.” The New Living Translation (NLT)

    Each of the translations above provide a little different wording for sin. The NAS is the most literal translation. It correctly pairs the word ποιεῖ (poiei), (which means to make, manufacture, produce or practice) with the singular form of the word for sin. By doing so, we understand that sin is a condition, or a state of being. You had stated that poiei meant a single act of sin and that is completely wrong.

    The New Living Translation (which is really a paraphrase and not a translation in the strictest sense) presents the most readable rendering of the Greek and interestingly, uses the word ποιεῖ, more literally than the others. Poiei is paired with sin several times in previous verses as well for the same purpose; to express that a person who has committed himself to Christ will not continue in a way that is against God.

    The second appearance of the word for sin in 1 John 3:9 is a present active infinitive, which means it is a condition that currently exists and continues to be. You can almost use the grammatical structure to understand the character of the word. Sin is present and active, meaning it is here now and continues to be. It is not a completed action.

    John is quite literally saying exactly the opposite of what you are proposing; that we no longer sin once we have accepted Christ. Remember that John was speaking against a movement at the time called Gnosticism. It was a perversion of Christianity, which claimed that upon accepting Christ, a person became superior to others, having special, secret knowledge of God. They believed that since Christ’s righteousness covered their sin, their own sins were no longer counted against them, so they could do whatever they wanted without consequence. Their actions were overtly sinful and they claimed it didn’t matter. This is why John speaks about those born of God not sinning; to denounce the Gnostic perversion and purify the church.

    You also asked about and quoted Romans 11:29: For the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable (without repentance, KJ). First, note that the “without repentance” condition is of and from God, not us. There is no question that God’s gifts and calling are sure and eternal. It says it right here and in many other places and contexts of Scripture. The context of Romans is very significant here to understand what Paul is meaning.

    Paul is writing the Roman church to bring unity between Jewish and Gentile Christians. The Jewish Christians were claiming their ways of worshipping Christ were correct and they were the true chosen people of God. The Gentile Christians were saying that the Jews rejection of Christ made the Gentiles the true children of God and the Jews were kind of second class citizens. Paul rejects both thoughts and explains that Christ is the key to reconciliation with God. It is not the Jews heritage or the Gentiles being offered what the Jews rejected. It is Christ who saves and it is He who will not revoke His gift to us. It is always there for us to receive, if we will have it.

    What do yall think of what he said? Is my interpretation of 1John 1:9 wrong like he is saying?

  28. Seems today so many are not sure of eternal life and don’t seem to appreciate all the verses and passages that tell us differently.

  29. Jim F
    “Curtis, just for sake of understanding, lets make sure we are clear on sanctification. There is both a positional sanctification and an ongoing progressive practical sanctification.”

    I caught this in a doctrinal statement of an assembly I once attended the statement makes progressive practical sanctification a requirement “is to be” . I would contend that Practical sanctification “IS” in a believers by grace through faith life no matter what. or what their behavior.or circumstance even going astray into false doctrine’s of devil’s and mankind.

    is to be
    “that PRACTICAL SANCTIFICATION (moment by moment victory over sin) is to be progressive throughout the entire life-span of a believer here on earth.”

  30. The Narrow Way, is identified as the WAY that leads unto life. Only Jesus gives life, only through believing on Him are we given life.

    THE STRAIGHT OR NARROW GATE WE MUST ENTER (our salvation, the Gate of the Lord, and The Stone or Cornerstone)

    Open to me the gates of righteousness:
    I will go into them, and I will praise the Lord:
    this gate of the Lord, into which the righteous shall enter.
    I will praise thee: for thou hast heard me, and art become my salvation.

    The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner.
    This is the Lord’s doing; it is marvellous in our eyes.
    This is the day which the Lord hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it. Psalm 118:19-24


    Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

  32. Ilya (cont.)

    You said ‘Jesus said the only way to eternal life is narrow’ (this is true, but you added thorny) and thirdly you added, ‘and not many are walking in it’.”

    Firstly, that narrow way is not a walk, the narrow way is believing on Jesus and His Word, not ours. It is not a way of walking, of works, see later in Matt 7:21-23 where the false prophets try to justify themselves by their ‘wonderful works’. And the narrow Gate is not some form of works, the narrow Gate is JESUS. HE is the door to the sheep.

    You don’t see easy salvation? Becoming saved is easy. God gave us so many ways to draw us to Him. The Holy Spirit to convict the world of their unbelief, of judgment and righteousness (John 16).

    He gave us preachers to preach the gospel so people might hear and believe and be saved. He said it (the gospel) is the Power of God unto Salvation.

    He told us to plant and water, but we are to plant the incorruptible seed, the Word of God, (1 Pet 1:23), not our words. God’s Word is the one that contains power (Heb 4:12) is able to make one wise unto salvation (2 Tim 3:15) and the hearing of His Word is able to bring one to faith (Rom 10:17).

    Paul warned of those who would corrupt minds from the SIMPLICITY that is in Christ by bringing another gospel, or preaching another Jesus (1 Cor 11:3-4)

    If you add ‘keeping Christ’s commandments’ to the gospel, you have mixed up ‘discipleship’ (being a student) with salvation. That is a work. Any work of the law can be good, but if we add it to the gospel, we preach an accursed gospel.

    Ilya. When we love God, we want to keep His commandments, and we do this by abiding in Him, abiding in His Word makes us good students, so we are able to grow in the Word of His grace (Acts 20:32) and be built up in the faith. But if you preach this gospel of ‘keeping His commandments’ in order to BE or PROVE you are saved, I am going to appeal to you as a mother of 10. I do not know if you have children, or parents or siblings you love. But if you preach this gospel, it is another, and it is accursed (Gal 1:6-9) and dear one, you will damn people to hell with it.

    Please prayerfully consider, reading John 20:30-31 (purpose statement for the book of John, and carefully and prayerfully reading John noting all the things that are said regarding eternal life, and which things are said regarding disciples (remember some were never saved because they never believed). Please note how many times and forms of believe are in the Bible. And see if keeping the commandments in context has to do with eternal life.

    Keeping His commandments never saved one soul.

    Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
    I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. (Gal 2:16, 21)

  33. Ilya – If we ‘love’ Him, we will keep His commandments, and that of course is not the 10 commandments or the Law, but His new commandments to us.

    You believe ‘keeping His commandments’ constitutes following Him, and until we finish this life. To keep His commandments, as John mentioned, it would have to be done perfectly. This is an admonition to abide in Him. for apart from Him we can do nothing, this is about fellowship and our testimony before heaven. Soil 2 and Demas did indeed go to heaven, because it isn’t an ‘act of repenting’ (as in an incorrect definition of ‘turning from sin’) that saves people. I hope you will read the free article here by Tom Cucuzza on repentance.

    Does the Bible say that ‘repenting’ makes one saved? If so, then did God become saved? No, it is repenting (changing our mind about thinking we can elevate our status by our works). You asked what is believing in our opinion, but none here have ever suggested slightly repeating a prayer, raising our hand, or reading a Bible tract.

    How can one be sure they are born again? God’s Word makes it quite clear. It is absolutely ‘consenting’ with ‘Biblical facts’. God’s Word is TRUTH. It is the truth that sets us free. When we believe the ‘Biblical fact’ of Christ and Him crucified for our sins, dying in our place, paying the penalty, we are born again. See 1 Cor 15 for the gospel that every single apostle preached, that the apostles and the Corinthians received, believed, were saved by and stood in. These were the Biblical facts that one MUST believe in order to be saved. (see 1 John 5:10-13 for God’s testimony of Biblical facts one must believe in order to KNOW that you have eternal life – performance is not one of them).

    If a person is supposedly is born again, (as you say) but the family sees no change, friends see no change, coworkers see no change, and even his or her own self sees absolutely no change in character, behavior, priorities, etc. How can they be sure they are saved?

    James was sure the people were saved he was writing too, as he addressed them as brethren, believers, brothers, sisters, ‘Spirit dwelling in you’, etc. But he was sure that as you mentioned in again, when they weren’t seeing a change, their behavior was useless to all men. They were not justified before men, although they were justified before God, declared righteous because of Christ. But their bad behavior was costing others.

  34. Praying for you Ilya

    I am learning a lot here on this thread with your questions , Please keep posting

  35. Good day,

    NO Law commandments to be saved. See KJV
    1. Galations (the whole book)
    2. Romans 10:3-4
    3. Romans 3:24-28
    4. Acts 15:1-24

    But one verse that reads IF one puts the commandments into salvation; they do NOT receive salvation.

    Romans 4:13-14 – 3 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was NOT to Abraham, or to his seed, THROUGH THE LAW, but through the righteousness of FAITH.14 For IF they which are of the law be heirs, faith IS MADE VOID, and the promise made of NONE EFFECT

    IF one puts the law into salvation it makes faith VOID.

    So is salvation by promise and not the law? Does it say this anywhere else in the bible?

    Gal 3:18 – For if the inheritance be of the law, it is NO MORE of PROMISE: but God gave it to Abraham BY PROMISE

    SUMMARY – salvation is Gods promise to us. IF we add anything to the promise (the law)….it makes faith VOID and the “promise” of NONE EFFECT.

    Praying for you Ilya. We ALL want to see you in heaven one day!!!!

  36. Ilya, you are confusing FAITH with FAITHFULNESS. It is Christ’s faithfulness that saves us. We are saved by grace (unmerited favor) through faith.

    Do you keep all of the Lord’s commandments perfectly? If not, what is the cutoff point for whether or not you have kept them enough to get into heaven?

    Romans 3:21: Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall be no flesh justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin

    Ilya, have you read the booklets that I linked in my last comment? If so, do you have any questions?

    If not, please do so before commenting again.

    Thanks. John

  37. We are saved by faith alone. And according to the Bible, faith is keeping Lord’s commandments.

  38. Ilya, believing in Jesus means that we believe that Jesus Christ is able and willing to save us. We must believe that we are sinners, in need of a Savior; that Jesus is the eternal God who became a man; that His sacrificial death was sufficient to take away the sins of anyone who will believe in Him; that He was raised from the dead; and that He offers eternal life as a free gift apart from works.

    In other words, believing means that we are trusting in Christ alone as all we need for eternal life. If someone thinks he has to follow Christ’s commandments to have eternal life, he will never make it to heaven that way. He must repent (stop trusting in himself) and trust in Christ alone. Once he does this, he has eternal life that can never be lost or forfeited.

    How can we know we are saved? Based on His Word! Any other basis (our fickle behaviors, attitudes, etc. are a sinking ship). You have to BE PERFECT to gt into heaven. Unless the change you are looking for has led to perfection in your behavior, attitudes, etc., it still is not a reliable barometer for whether or not you possess eternal life.

    The Bible say that anyone who has believed in Jesus has eternal life. People who have eternal life have it now. It can’t be lost or forfeited.

    John 5:24: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

    Please read the attached booklets:

    Click to access the-gospel.pdf

    Click to access how-to-be-sure-you-are-going-to-heaven-with-cover.pdf

    Ilya, I will pray that you will open your heart to the truth of the gospel.

  39. John, I believe that keeping Christ’s commandments constitutes following Him. To what extent? Untill we finish this life. Soil 2 and Dimas did not go to heaven if remained unrepented. Also a question for you. What is “believing” in your opinion? Raising a hand at revival meeting? Or repeating a prayer after radio host? Reading a gospel tract? How can a person be sure that they are born again? I hope we are not reducing christian faith to a mere consent with Biblical facts. If a person supposedly is born again, but the family sees no change, friends see no change, coworkers see no change, and even his or her own self sees absolutely no change in caracter, behaviour, priorities, etc. How can they be sure they are saved? Jesus ones said that the way to eternal life is narrow and thorny and not many are walking it. I don’t see easy salvation in the Bible. Also, I don’t see any “relying on myself” or “works salvation” in keeping Crist’s commandments and repenting when I fail to do so.

  40. Curtis, a lot of LS people use 1 Corinthians 6 to justify works as evidence of salvation. However, the context is about Christians not taking disagreements with other Christians to non-believers to adjudicate. This is an appeal to church-age Christians to settle matters among themselves.

  41. Thanks Jim and John
    that help clear’s up 1 cor 6:11 verse . I had a phone conversation with a back door LS person and that was the verse we ended on . He used it to justify works as evidence of salvation .

    yes I agree positional sanctification and on going practical sanctification , I am going to ponder some more on it

  42. Jim, you make a good point. All believers have positional sanctification, as pointed out in several verses, including:

    1 Corinthians 6:11: And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

  43. Curtis, just for sake of understanding, lets make sure we are clear on sanctification. There is both a positional sanctification and an ongoing progressive practical sanctification.

    Jim F

  44. Believing does not equal following. Preston is right. I have heard that sermon as well. It is called Follow the Voice

  45. Welcome ILYa

    don’t confuse:
    salvation and service
    chastening and reward
    old nature and new nature
    Justification , sanctification ,

    salvation eternal life is easy , following Jesus sanctification is hard

    justification has everything to do with sanctification BUT careful here sanctification has nothing to do with justification you can only be Justified ONCE born again. sanctification is on going until we are home in glory and yes some souls may walk away and never show ANY evidence of salvation but that does not mean they have not been justified .

  46. Ilya, what constitutes following Jesus? To what extent?

    There are numerous examples in the Bible about believers who don’t follow Jesus faithfully.

    For example, soil 2 in the parable of the Sower. The Bible says they believed.

    Demas left the ministry to return to the world. He was a believer.

    Following Jesus in discipleship is not a requirement for salvation. If it were, the Bible would say so.

    If you stop following Jesus, do you think you will go to heaven?

    If no, then you are trusting in yourself for eternal life.

  47. Thanks john, for your reply. You are absolutely correct about v. 27 directly contrasting v.26. In 26 Jesus said that those who do not believe are not his sheep. In v.27 Jesys said that His sheep follow him (and abviously belive). So we can see that Jesus is basically saying that believing in Him is ,in fact, fillowing Him. Those who do not follow, do not believe.

  48. I think yankee has a good sermon on that as well…..follow the voice (I believe is the title)

  49. Ilya, welcome and thanks for your comment.

    Verse 27 is in direct contrast to verse 26. Here it is in context:

    [26] But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
    [27] My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
    [28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

    This does not mean that only people who follow Jesus in discipleship are His sheep. It means that His sheep recognize who He is, and follow His way of eternal life – by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone.

    John 14:6: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

    Ilya, are you trusting in Christ, or in your ability to keep following Him?

  50. Verse 28 applies to those described in verse 27. …they FOLLOW me. If a believer quits followig Jesus, the promise given in verse 28 does not apply.

  51. Janie, Denial of free will leads to the teaching of infused grace which our friend Ronald Shea might expound more on.

    But basically that means it is something God gives us in order to be able to believe. If we take away free-will, there are many implications. When God commanded Adam not to eat of the one tree, it was a joke, a deception. He caused him to sin if Adam did not have a free will. If we take away free will, all the places in the Holy Spirit inspired Word where people were told to ‘choose life’ or ‘choose who you will serve’ or ‘give a free will offering’, that was all a lie, a farce.

    Even Wayne Grudem admits the fatalism in Calvinism. And when the Spirit and the Bride say “come”, it’s a lie, because whosoever, does not mean whosoever.

    It is another gospel and another Jesus. You cannot believe. And God did not love the whole world. And He was not the propitiation for the whole world. And Jesus did not really buy the false prophets who would deny Him.

    It’s all smoke and mirrors and we’re all just puppets that God has knit together in the womb for the express purpose of sending us to be burned, all for His glory. (somewhat like Hitler someone noted today). It blasphemes the way of truth, and it maligns God’s good character.

  52. janie, I think free will is a central component of the gospel.

    Unless one believes in universalism, which the Bible doesn’t teach, some people will go to heaven and some will go to hell.

    If man lacked free will, then he would not be responsible for his sin, nor would he be responsible for accepting, or rejecting, Jesus.

    Denial of free will would also extend to the behavior of Christians. If they don’t have free will, then there is no basis for the Judgment Seat of Christ (that is, no basis for commendation or rewards).

  53. Do you guys think that the denial of free will absolutely means a false gospel?

  54. John John, I wonder if it is because we have an uncertainty like falling or going to the depths (makes me think on Job at this point) of the sea. But yet He controls all that.

  55. Thanks John, that tense seems to be ignored with those who deny the two natures.

  56. Holly. I love that portion too! The seas strike holy fear in me, along with the seeming infinity of the mountains and of space.

  57. Holly, I think so too. I think it is also interesting that Paul uses “whom I am chief”, which is present tense.

  58. Johninnc, the passage in Eph 2, kind of reminds me of Paul’s account of himself.

    And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry; who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief. And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. 1 Tim 1:12-16

  59. John John, funny, one time on an old blog I wrote about those chapters, and the prayer at the end of chapter 3, and then the admonition to ‘walk worthy’. But so much that He has done because of all of His goodness. I love Psalm 107, I listened to 106 just because you wrote it here, I like to read the notations of others in the Word if I am able, it is like being able to fellowship long distance together. I love this portion from 107, reminds me of the disciples and all of us really when we are in hard times.

    25 For he commandeth, and raiseth the stormy wind,
    which lifteth up the waves thereof.
    26 They mount up to the heaven,
    they go down again to the depths:
    their soul is melted because of trouble.
    27 They reel to and fro, and stagger like a drunken man,
    and are at their wits’ end.
    28 Then they cry unto the Lord in their trouble,
    and he bringeth them out of their distresses.
    29 He maketh the storm a calm,
    so that the waves thereof are still.
    30 Then are they glad because they be quiet;
    so he bringeth them unto their desired haven.
    31 Oh that men would praise the Lord for his goodness,
    and for his wonderful works to the children of men!

  60. Jon, totally agree. Ephesians is filled with the love of God in Christ! I have been listening to several of Paul’s letters and the Psalms lately. I see the grace of God all through the Scriptures. I pointed out Psalms 106 and 107 specifically because they show God’s “unfailing love” in the face of outright rebellion of His people. Yes, He disciplines, but absolutely does He remain faithful because of that beautiful character trait of His “steadfast/unfailing love”.

    Christ Jesus gives us an even greater and “how much more!” security.

  61. John John, Ephesians 1 has some of the most straightforward teaching on eternal security as well:

    [13] In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
    [14] Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

    Also, Ephesians 2 tells us that as believers, we already have eternal life:

    [4] But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
    [5] Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
    [6] And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
    [7] That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

  62. Ephesians 1 is an abbondanza of grace, of the lavish generosity of God in Christ, of His love poured into our hearts by the Holy Spirit. THIS is the kind of expert foundation Paul laid, and ever since many others have built on it…by razing the whole structure and starting over at Ephesians 4, lol! Never mind that “even when we were dead in our trespasses, [God] made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—” business! Let’s get down to what you gotta DO/DON’T DO!

    Problem: One cannot begin to “do” chapter 4 without Paul’s foundation of the lavish love of God. Believers are fish on dry land without the FINISHED work of our Lord Jesus Christ, standing forever as proof that he came into the world to save sinners (of which I, you, we are the worst…next to Paul).

    That said, I found tremendous security in the Psalms today (listening to them while working). Psalms 106 and 107 are definitive statements of God’s sweet mercy in the face of His stern reproofs. One preacher described this as “God’s compassion cycle”, wherein Israel’s disobedience would invite His judgement…and their resultant brokenness and crying out to Him would elicit His awakened compassion.

    In Psalm 107. the repeated directive—whether due to hardship or sin—is to “thank the LORD for his steadfast love”. This love is shown to rescue the helpless AND unworthy. I cherished the last line:

    “Whoever is wise, let him attend to these things;
    let them consider the steadfast love of the LORD.”

    A wise person ought to consider and attend to the glorious character trait of God that is his STEADFAST LOVE. One could say, at a minimum, that it is….”secure”.

  63. Sam – I also think a lot of us ‘heard’ about putting on the armor, and maybe do part, but forget to ‘shod our feet’ (Eph 6) daily.

  64. Sam, who knows if I stay calm, it’s a spiritual battle always, even when they are hearing us. I pray in the battle and remember like you say, It’s His Words and they have power. (Heb 4:12; Rom 1:16-17; 1 Cor 1:17-18)

  65. thanks Johninnc and Holly for the encouragement I needed that. I appreciate the knowledge and wisdom God has given to so many that reply here.Im much better at defending the Gospel then I used to be, just wish I could stay calm after all Im just repeating Gods words not my own.

  66. By the way, Smedes was reformed, but took teaching from a Dutch Calvinist, along with another good friend at Fuller, and he felt that Homosexuals in committed relationships should be allowed positions in leadership in the church.

    This took me five minutes to find, what an author who quoted him should have known better, I have never even heard of Smedes. Can you imagine going out and quoting knowing these things? what if? what if the little ones stumble at his teaching. What if the lost never come to Christ because of His teaching?

    How responsible are these teachers for introducing their flock to the wolves?

  67. He also quotes people (either without looking them up, or I don’t know? Can know his motives.) I just wrote him about his this particular one of his recent newsletters, which includes a quote by Louis Smedes. He quotes him saying, “To forgive is truly to set a prisoner free. But what you discover is that the prisoner was you. Truly, If you release them then you will be set free.

    Then he builds on that for a letter on forgiveness.

    But does he know Louis Smedes? Who said in his 1994 revised edition of Sex for Christians, ‘homosexuality is a burden that homosexual people are called to bear, and bear as morally as possible, even though they never chose to bear it” (229).

    For any who think I might contact him, I have… more than once. Obviously I cannot get through to him, or he is not convicted that this is wrong, but I can’t take teaching from him either…..

    So it’s difficult… we pray, we keep looking, taking teaching long distance, and we trust in the Lord. By the way, if people can, it’s not a bad idea to download sermons and teachings in pdfs, so when internet may be down, you will have sound teachings along with your Bible.

  68. Sam… many times people wrongly judge why we are not ‘in church’. Many of us are grieved about not having the body to meet with. We do the best we can. We keep looking, we keep acknowledging Him in all of our ways, we trust on Him, not our own understanding.

    You did a good job, I pray that man will think about the fact he is not justified by church attendance. I know many of my own friends and family do not understand, they think it is because I am too particular, (‘after all nobody’s perfect’) but I try to explain to them it’s about the gospel. One ‘free grace’ church in town has a positional statement that COMPLETELY identifies them as reformers believing all five points of TULIP. Closest ‘free-grace’ church to me….

    Another ‘free-grace’ teacher (who my kids and I have gone to his class) has taken to quoting Augustine, and St. Anselm, etc. with no warnings whatsoever that these are not people to be quoting. And recently saddened to see him quoting C.S. Lewis as being able to give us some ‘biblical insight’?


    How can one who still believed in much of Roman Catholicism (in other words deceived), give us Biblical insight???

  69. Sam, I have prayed a prayer of thanks for the courage that you have shown in talking to this gentleman and that he will turn/ return to faith in Christ alone.

    The universal church is the body of all people who have received eternal life by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. All Christians belong to the church, and you are not alone.

    Much (if not most) of what are called churches corrupt the gospel, and being connected with them would constitute being yoked together with unbelievers (2 Corinthians 6:14).

  70. Holly got in discussion at gas station yesterday.He said he hasnt seen me in church.I explained to him why(long story)he thinks you can lose salvation.I asked what eternal life meant also everlasting life and free gift and grace and mentioned most of the verses mentioned above that I could remember.He had no answers except to say he doesnt see how a person could live in sin and be saved.(explained very clearly as I had the answers Ive learned from all of you here)anyway gave him 3 different grace tracts,prayed for him on the way home but I was extremely frustrated as he asked me if I found a church that believes as I do.I said there arent any here but there are many that do.He said so your alone ah (we both left at that point) blood pressure was up but the Lord got kept me from showing it.

  71. Reblogged this on Redeemingmoments and commented:
    Are you doubting you are saved? Or maybe doubting if you will stay saved? Read this by my brother in Chris, Pastor Jack Weaver.

  72. Hi Mary! I find it interesting to find the sin’s listed, smoke, drink, (and chew) reminds me of one of Yankee Arnold’s sermons, “and I don’t go with the girls that do”, but they seem to forget the sin of envy, or covetousness, or even being undiscerning. It’s strange they have fallen for a list of particular sins, maybe ones that might be easier to see than the ones people harbor in their hearts or homes?

  73. Preston,

    I don’t quite see that in Romans 5 at all. You used vs. 16, but I believe if you look at all for the contrasts, remembering also, gifts have to be accepted with no merit, this one condemnation, sin passing to all, we had no choice, it was condemnation and judgment both, which included death.

    Death wouldn’t be a ‘gift’ unto all men, because the gifts He gives are good and perfect. The same word used in verse 16, dōrēma, is interestingly the same used in James 1:17 (which came to mind instantly when I saw your post, so it was quite amazing to the same word in both places).

    Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. James 1:17

    So if that gift applies to sin, then it would be the gift of sin, death, judgment, and condemnation, what would be the reason to call His judgment a gift, and later identify those same gift as seen above in James 1, as perfect. I don’t believe it fits.

    Let’s see if I can lay it out how it seems to me, open to other interpretations with His Word of course. I took the verse in front, to just kind of show the contrasting without making too lengthy of a post.

    Romans 5:15-16

    But NOT AS the offence, SO ALSO IS the free gift.
    For if THROUGH the offence of one many be DEAD,
    much more the grace of God, and THE GIFT by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

    And NOT AS it was by one that sinned, SO IS the gift (dōrēma – a gift, bounty, benefaction):

    FOR the JUDGMENT was by one TO >> CONDEMNATION,

    but the FREE GIFT (charisma) is of many offences unto >>JUSTIFICATION.

    Hope that is clearer, and if you have any more questions, let me know. Putting in html is not natural for me and throws me a little bit 🙂

  74. Howard, that is wonderful, I agree!

  75. I loved what you said to Mary Jack.We just keep going & pray for the lost & hope for them.

  76. Thanks Preston, I think I’ll use 2 Timothy 2 for starters.By the way my daughter is 16.

  77. Thank you Mary,

    We appreciate your prayers.

    NEVER give up. Some folks will never believe, some will take time and others will believe upon hearing the Gospel for the first time.
    Galatians 6:9
    “And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.”

    Some of us plant seeds, others water and others see some believe but it is Jesus Christ who gives eternal life — but individuals must believe in Jesus. We cannot force that. We exercise patience.

    We pray you will be encouraged and never give up!!

    In Jesus Christ eternally, Jack

  78. Hi Bruce,

    Good to “see” you and thanks for your prayers.

    Yes, it is easy to pick out a few very special verses in God’s Word that encourage us. John 10:28 is special to me because I still am excited and encouraged when I read Jesus’ words “eternal” and “never perish.”

    Please pray for our friend Mary and her friend in Australia as they share Christ in an environment which is very hostile to the Gospel Simplicity that is in Christ. Theirs is not too different,however, than many of us report here at ExP. Hostility and ignorance abounds in “religions.”

    In Jesus Christ eternally, Jack.

  79. Howard, welcome and amen!

  80. holly,

    a quick observation on Romans 5. IMHO one of the “gifts” in that passage is actually referring the “gift” of the sin nature given to us by Adam. For that too was a gift; NOT all gifts are good ones.

    16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation

    I think Paul is saying this is why salvation IS a free gift; because you were given the “gift” of the sin nature by one (Adam).

    just a thought.

  81. If nothing we do obtains eternal life other than receive it,then it stands to reason nothing we do can lose it!

  82. Bruce and John, those two set of verses, actually John 5:24 too along with 3:18, 3:36, 6:47 etc. were really balm to an accused soul.

    I agree with you John so much, assume they do not know the gospel, don’t judge them, but make a good judgment and preach the gospel unfettered, the pure gospel. It is the power of God unto salvation. They need to understand the free gift. As you have pointed out so many times before, Romans 5 gives I believe 6 accounts of the free gift or gift, then we have Romans 6:23 identifying it clearly and simply as eternal life.

  83. Sam, if you ask someone that, I do believe you’ll be surprised with some of the answers…

  84. Some good passages Preston. I don’t know how old Genevieve’s daughter is, but never to young to talk to them about it. I know a lot of people that use 2 Tim 2 in the wrong way regarding the overthrown faith, so good to bring that up.

  85. Thanks for the input guys, as i said to Jack earlier, people are horrified when i question their salvation if they say they do not believe in eternal security. But i just want to make sure they are truly saved. We can make mistakes about the cars we drive or the houses we buy but not when it comes to our souls.

    This is an excerpt from (The Westminster Confession of Faith)
    The Reformed Doctrine of the perseverance of the saints is set forth in the Westminster Cof Faith in this way. They whom God hath accepted in his Beloved, effectually called and sanctified by his spirit, can neither totally nor finally fall away from the state of grace; but shall certainly persevere therein to the end, and be eternally saved.
    People say to me that look calvanists do believe in eternal salvation but it is conditional.
    So both Arminians and Calvanists work for their salvation.

  86. Mary, I would be very concerned about someone who says they believe in eternal security, but thinks that one can lose salvation through sin. After all, what is that person believing in Jesus FOR? Is it so that if they don’t continue sinning, they can go to heaven? This is belief in salvation by works. In other words, this person is trusting in Jesus plus their not continuing to sin. Since they will continue to have sin in their lives, then they are trusting in Jesus plus not committing selected sins.

    If you haven’t already done so, you might be interested in reading our article entitled “Why We Can’t Judge Whether or not Someone Possesses Eternal Life”.

    For someone who denies central tenets of the faith (such as salvation by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone, eternal security, and assurance of eternal life), we can’t tell whether it is the false brother of Galatians 2:4, or the bewitched (but real)brother of Galatians 3:1-3.

    I think there are people who have accepted Christ as Savior, and then sat under false teaching for years. By and by, they can no longer even tell you how someone receives eternal life, because they have heard and read error for most of their lives as Christians.

    But, it would be foolish to ASSUME that someone who contradicts faith in Christ with other statements that undermine the gospel is saved.

  87. Genevieve, I like John 5:24: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

  88. Bruce, agree – Romans 8:38-39 is another great passage to let Christians know that they are in His hands.

  89. Genevieve,

    give her this and ask her to explain.


    IF ones faith is overthrown; they are still saved BUT would produce nothing (limited rewards).

    point 1 – lets start with passages that say we are sealed–it does relate to 2 Timothy.

    – Eph 1:13 – In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were SEALED with that holy Spirit of promise

    – Eph 4:30 – And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye ARE SEALED unto the day of redemption
    – notice it reads “sealed” unto redemption and not unto your overthrown faith.

    – 2 Cor 1:21-22 – Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God;22 Who HATH ALSO SEALED us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts

    LETS GO TO 2 TIMOTHY – note – Timothy is a letter written from Paul to Timothy so the “WE” is referring to BELIEVERS.

    11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
    12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: (REWARDS)
    13 If WE believe NOT, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself

    ME -, Jesus PROMISED not to lose one and that NOTHING will pluck us out of His hand. IF He lost one; He would have denied Himself.
    Let’s keep reading as the author gives us an example to illustrate this.

    And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
    18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and OVERTHROW the FAITH of some.

    ME – we see that some had their faith overthrown. this MEANS that they HAD believed. lets go to the next verse. the first word is NEVERTHELESS. this is key. “nevertheless” means “in spite of”. So some had their faith overthrown…NEVERTHELESS…

    19-NEVERTHELESS the foundation of God standeth sure, having THIS SEAL, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity

    ME- see they were still SEALED— note – read next verses to explain “depart from iniquity”. YES a believer should depart from iniquity. one reason – to build rewards of gold and silver and NOT wood hay and stubble; which will be burned at the Judgment Seat of Christ.—to be a vessel of honor and not dishonor.

    heb 11 – But WITHOUT FAITH it is IMPOSSIBLE to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him

    SUMMARY – these people whose faith were OVERTHROWN were producing NOTHING. their faith WAS GONE!!! they had NO MORE faith THUS it is impossible to please God (produce). Were they STILL SAVED?
    – YES – having THIS SEAL, the Lord knoweth them that are HIS

  90. Genevieve, use a life experience. She might believe you when you tell her that you are going to do something for her, no matter what she does, you promise you will do it. Now you are not God and not perfect, but can fail.

    But her friend tells her things you never said, and maybe she’s been behaving badly and thinks that you will change your mind. But God is not us, His promise is good, because He does not lie. You might try to relate it somewhat like that 🙂

  91. I love this, thank you.

  92. Hi Jack,

    Great article—John 10:27-30 is my favorite text on eternal security. I quote it often in my teaching. Another good one is Romans 8:38-39:
    Romans Chapter 8:
    38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
    39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

    Praying for you friend,


  93. Genevieve Jenks

    I was talking to my youngest daughter this morning about God & I told her once you believe you are saved, even if you stop believing, she doesn’t believe it.I was wondering what scripture to use next time I try to explain it to her.

  94. I have this morning asked a member of my family, She also said to me that she believes in eternal security, but if you persist in sin or live a wicked life then you lose it.
    So i said if someone smokes, drinks and swears, what they can’t be a christian, she said then they repent as they do it. But i believe you can lose it, its double speak, are these people saved or not. Or is it just a matter that they just don’t have a clear understanding of the gospel. As i said to my friend this morning this is ‘A GOSPEL WAR NOW’.Daily we encounter here in Australia that we have Arminians and Calvanists on each side. All trusting in their own perserverance to keep them saved or were never saved.
    Oh lord save me from this insanity, it grieves me on a daily basis, it frustrates me and i don’t feel i am getting anywhere with these people. They just think i’m arrogant and don’t have a right attitude. Who do u think u are that yr way is right. There is no absolute truth, there is no discernment or no need to be discerning. There is no love for doctrine, as soon as i put this out to my family i came up against this friction, it was demonic,,the enemy does not want her freed from this false gospel and bondage. They think we are from the enemy with this message and we think they are. Oh how sad. What disturbing, confusing times we live in. What a mess. Oh come lord come and deliver us from all this confusion and conflict.

    Thanks Jack, We love you, pray for your health, we need your input on board. Thanks to all the rest of you too.

  95. Jack eternal means eternal in my mind and Im grateful thats what it means.Thanks for explaining that word in detail I will remember to ask the next person that doesnt believe in eternal security to give me their explanation of what that word means.That should be interesting.

  96. Jack, thanks for this very informative article! I am hopeful that many of those who have not yet understood and believed the wonderful truth of the eternal security of the believer in Christ will read this.