Who Said That?

By johninnc

From Wikipedia: Who Said That? is a 1947-55 NBC radio-television game show, in which a panel of celebrities attempts to determine the speaker of a quotation from recent news reports.

The following quotes are from various organizations and individuals that are attempting to influence contemporary society in one way or another. My point in selecting  these quotes is not the degree to which they do, or do not, reflect appropriate perspectives on the issues to which they pertain. Rather, my point is the degree to which these quotes seem aligned with contemporary issues of social justice, environmentalism, and altruism.

I will publish the source of each of the quotes (the answer key) as the first response to this article.

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1. We believe we have a responsibility to innovate, sponsor, and evaluate new forms of community that will encourage development of the fullest potential in individuals.

2. The poor and excluded face dire threats from climate disruptions, including the increased frequency of droughts, extreme storms, heat waves, and rising sea levels.

3. Advocate

Join with others who are seeking to ensure that governments, corporations and communities do their part to achieve the goals of:

  • Halting the spread of HIV through effective prevention, treatment and care.
  • Eliminating the stigma and discrimination experienced by those who are HIV-positive.
  • Reducing the conditions of poverty and marginalization that contribute to the spread of HIV.

4. With the news on immigration focused on administrative relief and a new Congress seemingly bent on undoing that relief, we know there may be some confusion about what is happening.

5. How do we deliver the first AIDS free generation in over 30 years? It all begins with the elimination of HIV transmission from mother to child. Right now, in developing countries, over 650 babies are born with the disease every day. But we have the power to change things by providing HIV positive mothers with the lifesaving medication they need to deliver a healthy, HIV—free baby. And all it takes is just 40 cents a day.

6. Current scientific findings indicate that reductions in greenhouse gas emissions are required to avert accelerated climate change. Scarcity of natural resources and threats to ecosystems and biodiversity are serious environmental issues. Recent events, from extreme weather events to severe droughts to the decline in summer arctic sea ice extent, all illustrate the severe consequences and devastating impacts of climate change. These challenges demand fundamental changes in the way society, including businesses, uses natural resources.

7. We support the right of all public and private employees and employers to organize for collective bargaining into unions and other groups of their own choosing.

Every person has the right to a job at a living wage. Where the private sector cannot or does not provide jobs for all who seek and need them, it is the responsibility of government to provide for the creation of such jobs.

 Corporations are responsible not only to their stockholders, but also to other stakeholders: their workers, suppliers, vendors, customers, the communities in which they do business, and for the earth, which supports them.

8. Inequality is the root of social ills … as long as the problems of the poor are not radically resolved by rejecting the absolute autonomy of markets and financial speculation and by attacking the structural causes of inequality, no solution will be found for the world’s problems or, for that matter, to any problems.

9. And rising inequality and declining mobility are also bad for our families and social cohesion — not just because we tend to trust our institutions less, but studies show we actually tend to trust each other less when there’s greater inequality.

10. Learn about and support proposed legislation that would provide in-state tuition for immigrant students as well as other pro-immigrant bills…

Consider holding a series of workshops or events that educate people in your community about their legal rights, how to prepare for a raid, or the impacts of local immigration laws and ordinances.

11. Principles of Solidarity

  • Engaging in direct and transparent participatory democracy;
  • Exercising personal and collective responsibility;
  • Recognizing individuals’ inherent privilege and the influence it has on all interactions;
  • Empowering one another against all forms of oppression;
  • Redefining how labor is valued;
  • The sanctity of individual privacy;
  • The belief that education is human right; and
  • Making technologies, knowledge, and culture open to all to freely access, create, modify, and distribute.

12. Sustainability –  it’s in our heritage.

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As you think about the missions of the above individuals and groups, and their adherents, think about what makes them similar and what makes them different. Think about how these messages may have been different in different times and circumstances.

And, if you would like to know how to have eternal life, based on God’s unchanging word, please click here: Eternal Life

Please note: we are interested in your comments. However, we are not interested in your political views, your impression of Jesus’ political views, etc. We are interested in your views of how governments, businesses, and churches are becoming more closely aligned in their stated goals and priorities.

23 responses to “Who Said That?

  1. Curtis, I heard Tom Cucuzza say in one of his recent sermons that the most searched for verse on the internet is Romans 12:2.

  2. listening to message today from Charles Clough that in the middle ages they believed when Adam and Eve fell , they fell from the neck down.
    that human reason was neutral .. .

    if you give a listen he starts talking about it time stamp 20:00 but should listen to all of it .. time stamp 18:00 he talks about were all the false gospel’s fall at romans 12:1-2 Body, Mind

    Lesson 5 – Enveloping the Pagan Artistic Imagination (Lust of the Eyes). Rom 1:22-24
    http://www.bibleframework.com/lessons/not-ashamed-of-the-gospel/

  3. The eastern unorthodox say they become by grace what God is by nature. I call baloney on that.

    When the pope calls himself god on earth, it is applied theosis.

    Monks use the imago dei to argue for theosis. Then they abuse God’s image by flagellating themselves. I could never understand that contradiction.

    Transhumanism is scary. Ray “Voldemort” Kurzweil wants eternal life through technology. Google is not your friend. This is one of the ideas of community transformation out there. Some of these death eaters think they can achieve repentance of sin by rewriting the genetic code.

  4. Correction Note: I re read the sites on theosis and they were saying that man’s goal was to become god-like and not God. Nevertheless, the EO theosis doctrine is a works based, self effort false salvation doctrine using infused righteousness, and so is the Calvinistic/LS false gospel as well as the RC false gospel of salvation by a persons works and self effort.

  5. I have heard Augustine and Athanasius quoted as saying identically to the Mormons: God became man so that man can become God. Richard Wurmbrand had the same teaching. Never again will Hank Hanegraaff persuade me that EO aren’t Mormons. He now is one. I have had enough of this poison. If I want to become God, I should do what the world does and be a lover of self. Martyrdom is not necessary. But I don’t want to become God, because the new nature cannot blaspheme.

  6. One of the things that concern me is the false doctrine of “theosis” namely from the Eastern “orthodox” church. Which is the works based false gospel of man’s quest to not just become god-like, but to become God or a god.
    We read much about the Augustinian/Catholic influence in the Calvinist/LS false gospel. But I am beginning to think that the theosophic doctrine of the EO church has also played a part in Calvinist/LS “infused” righteousness. Infused righteousness false doctrine sounds very close to the pagan influenced theosis. Theosis sounds very much like the ancient pagan Roman beliefs that man, such as a emperor, could become a god. Theosis, like most of the pagan mysticism doctrines of the EO Church, sounds very much like one of the numerous compromises of Christianity and pagan beliefs and practices that corrupted the early church which stayed corrupted. The EO false teachers will point to a few Bible verses in support of the theosis false doctrine. One of them is Psalm 82:6. Psalm 82 is allegorical where some judges are pictured as “gods” who judge the shortcomings of Israel. The term “gods” is not to be understood literally: the judges were simply representing God or acting on his behalf. There are other Bible verses that the twist around to try to support their theosis doctrine.
    Scripture says he who has trusted in Christ for salvation has Christ in him, that he is complete in Christ, that he has received the Holy Spirit and that he has been IMPUTED, not infused, with Christ’s righteousness. God sees his Son in us, but it does not say we become God or a god in any way. We are still who we are, saints, but now we have been clothed in Christ’s righteousness and perfection forever, which God sees his Son in us and we can be with Him forever.

  7. Phi, it sounds like the makers of “Risen” got the story straight. I have to admit, I was a little leery, given that the movie was put out by the same folks who brought us “Heaven is Real.”

  8. Yea when i read that statement by the Pope that was my thought to
    Christian by what standard ?
    it is apparent the pope directly bypasses the Word of God when determining a souls salvation ( justification)

  9. Maybe everything put out is not all faith plus works for salvation. I just saw a well made movie called: RISEN. It’s a pretty well made movie and good acting and not like some of the cheezy preach to choir movies that have come out over the years. It takes the Bible account of the resurrection and weaves it into a kind of detective story from the view of a Roman tribune who was in charge of Christ’s burial, and his trying to unravel what happened to His body which vanished from the tomb.
    What caught me was a scene where the tribune is questioning one of Christ disciples: Bartholomew. Bartholomew is overjoyed having seen the risen Christ. The Roman Tribune asks Bartholomew, “What does this mean to you?” Bartholomew replied, “IT MEANS I HAVE ETERNAL LIFE”

    It took Hollywood, in this film RISEN, to reveal the simple free gift, the wonderful good news of the gospel, the free gift of salvation to all who will simply believe. Yet these LS’rs, Calvinists, Catholics, Reformed, Arminians, J. MacArthurites, and Billy Grahamites, all try to cloak the gospel message and burden people with their faith plus works doctrines which violate the simple gospel. They don’t want us know we have received the gift of eternal life as Bartholomew did in this movie: the LSer’s want to bury us again in works requirements that we can never live up to.

  10. The Pope played his “Trump Card” this week, when he said that people who want to build walls aren’t Christians.

    Apparently, the Pope thinks that we are either saved by works, or that works prove that we are saved.

    Meanwhile, we have the political feeding frenzy in which the candidates are lining up as many false gospel doctrinaires as they can to garner the so-called evangelical vote.

    Politics makes strange false gospel bedfellows.

  11. Dominionism… the mindset of the Amillennialists, the Kingdom now and Joel’s Army and Manifest Sons of God people. The ‘Christian’ show hosts like Pat Robertson. They think they will bring about the Kingdom…

  12. I just finished reviewing the “Encyclical Letter Laudito Si of the Holy Father Francis on Care for Our Common Home.”

    This 180-page manifesto is purportedly filled with flowery language about peace, love, ecology, and social justice.

    At it’s heart, though, is an odd amalgam of the concepts of personal, ecological, and community conversion. The word “conversion” is used 10 times in the Encyclical.

    Following is the best example of the misuse of the term “conversion” as it pertains to the individual:

    In calling to mind the figure of Saint Francis of Assisi, we come to realize that a healthy relationship with creation is one dimension of overall personal conversion, which entails the recognition of our errors, sins, faults, and failures, and leads to heartfelt repentance and desire to change. The Australian bishops spoke of the importance of such conversion for achieving reconciliation with creation: “To achieve such reconciliation, we must examine our lives and acknowledge the ways in which we have harmed God’s creation through our actions an our failures to act. We need to experience a conversion, a change of heart.”

    My comment: Based on the context, the Pope appears to think that conversion is a process by which one’s life is gradually transformed.

    Biblical conversion is not a process by which we become gradually transformed, but is an immediate result of simple faith in Christ.

    We do not “achieve” reconciliation, nor do people need to be reconciled with nature. Christ died for our sins, He was buried, and He was raised from the dead to reconcile us with God, not Mother Earth.

    The Pope’s previous comments on conversion are immediately followed by a comment that seems to conflate personal conversion with self-help and good deeds:

    Nevertheless, self-improvement on the part of individuals will not by itself remedy the extremely complex situation facing our world today. Isolated individuals can lose their ability and freedom to escape the utilitarian mindset, and end up prey to an unethical consumerism bereft of social or ecological awareness. Social problems must be addressed by community networks and not simply the sum of individual good deeds.

    My comment: “self-improvement” has nothing to do with biblical conversion. “Good deeds” are something that Christians should do, but again, are not part of conversion.

    Finally, we get to the points of “ecological conversion” and “community conversion”:

    This task “will make such tremendous demands of man that he could never achieve it by individual initiative or even by the united effort of man bred in an individualistic way. The work of dominating the world calls for a union of skills and a unity of achievement that can only grow from quite a different attitude.” The ecological conversion needed to bring about lasting change is also a community conversion.

    My comment: who does he think will dominate the world by managing the global “union of skills” that he envisions?

  13. Fryingpan9, yes, I’ve seen quite a mixture of darkness from some being left behind, to those who are judged (after receiving incorruptible bodies) at the sheep and goat judgment and getting sent into outer darkness during the Millennium. Very disturbing teaching.

  14. Fryingpan, I agree. The partial rapture teaching is heresy.

    Works for qualifying for the rapture is as absurd as works for qualifying for eternal life. Who would qualify? What would be the qualification and quantification standards?

  15. FryingPan9

    Thank you, Holly.

    And some who eschew and/or renounce the 5 points of Calvinism nonetheless embrace the idea that unfaithful believers will be left behind at the rapture as well as being assigned their part with they hypocrites in the outer darkness you mentioned. Specifically, some of the folks who used to be on “To Every Man An Answer” radio broadcast from CSN (Calvary Satellite Network). I didn’t understand any of this at the time I used to listen to it (ca 2006-2008 or so) but it was always confusing to me and in retrospect I now understand it thanks to this blog and other free grace sources found since my first post here over 2 years ago.

  16. FryingPan9, good to see you, seems like it’s been a bit! Chilling indeed! But exciting on the other hand because things seem to be ramping up so quickly these days, and the great apostasy we are seeing everywhere, plenty of wolves in sheep’s clothing.

  17. Brandi – I have seen many ex-Catholics become Calvinist/Lordship, they cannot seem to escape the works based view. I didn’t know they were bringing along purgatory with it, that I see in some of the ‘free grace’ camp who teach outer darkness is for unfaithful believers, to me, that is a Protestant Purgatory.

  18. FryingPan9

    Great article, John. And a bit chilling . . .

  19. Brandi, welcome and thanks for your comment.

    I can’t really explain why someone would teach belief in purgatory. It is completely unscriptural.

  20. The Lordship teaching is a very wishey washey doctrine. It’s very subtile and puts burdens on a true Christian as to confuse them! My jaw dropped when i first heard this teaching and began to wonder is i was really saved. They love to put doubt in a believer’s mind for some reason. I know who I belong to and i will never be perfect in this life. I have noticed that alot of ex-Catholic’s going into the ministry seem to bring along their Purgatory doctrine. Can someone explain that to me and does anybody else see this?

    Brandi

  21. I can certainly see how it is that a one world religion will form as i believe most churches are moving towards Rome.

  22. Very interesting John. I expected a similar list. There’s another list going on where I’m finding much alliance or agreement with certain ‘religious’ groups. The reformed group have a Bridge in quite a way with the Anglican, Lutheran, Episcopalian and Presbyterian churches to the Catholic church.

    The end times are near… Wars and rumors of war. Earthquakes in divers places. Looking at this, I think of what Jesus said, “When the Son of Man comes will He find faith on the earth?”…

    Never quite thought I’d see it get this way so fast, the cold, hard hearts, I am seeing in the reformed and lordship teaching which drives people away from Christ and the character they portray of Him.

  23. The answer key:

    1. United Methodist Church
    2. Pontifical Academies of Sciences and Social Sciences, Declaration of Religious Leaders, Political Leaders, Business Leaders, Scientists and Development Practitioners
    3. Evangelical Lutheran Church of America
    4. National Council of La Raza
    5. Bank of America
    6. Disney
    7. United Methodist Church
    8. Pope Francis
    9. Barack Obama
    10. Presbyterian Church USA
    11. Occupy Wall Street
    12. Chick-Fil-A

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