Does Ted Haggard matter?

Ted Haggard, Pastor of New Life Church (NLC) and the head of the liberal National Association of Evangelicals (NAE) resigned his Pastorate today with a graphic confession. Frankly, until the MSM and the leftists decided to expose him, I never heard of him.

Haggard is a sinner as are we all. He proclaims that he is a believer in Christ.. If he believes his (NLC) Statement of faith record of the Bible, then I would guess he probably is a true Christian. But that is for the Lord to determine. However, liberal theology can muddy a clear Bible Doctrine. I have issues with some of his church doctrine which tends to touch on the charismatic error. Often such error leads one to doubt his assurance of salvation.

But does it matter that Haggard was caught? I feel for him and congratulate him for making the right decision to resign and acknowledge his sin before his congregation. I went through the similar agony as did his congregation.

Years ago the Pastor who led me to Jesus Christ, with a clear simple Gospel message, had an affair with a student. He resigned his position, divorced his wife and married the student. Shortly after, his wife developed Alzheimer’s disease and was remanded to the custody of her daughter. What a tragedy! What a shock to those of us who knew him.

Am I bitter? Honestly, I have a tough time forgetting his sin and the damage it did to my family personally and the thousands of the Body of Christ whom he had touched, but I’m not bitter.

I am thankful that my ex-Pastor has continued his life sharing salvation through Christ alone with whomever will listen.. but he realizes his organized ministry in a church is damaged and finished.

Does Haggard matter to me… No. The liberal trick of releasing this scandal just before the election probably will have little effect on discerning Conservative Christians, much to the dismay of the MSM’.

If Haggard has truly trusted in Jesus Christ alone for his salvation, then by the promise of God’s Word, he has eternal life, never to lose it. This specific sin was forgiven when Christ shed His blood on the cross, even before Haggard conceived the sin in his mind. God’s perfection was imputed to Haggard the moment he made his decision to trust Christ.

That is God’s Grace and His Love that “saved a wretch like me.”

And yes, we as believers, should pray for him and especially his wife and family.. They are in the eye of the scandal storm. His church family is in turmoil — so pray for them.

How to have eternal life.

38 responses to “Does Ted Haggard matter?

  1. I could not find his current gospel when I looked, lots of the word itself, ‘gospel’, but on his blog at least, no presentation of it was easily available, but I didn’t go too far beyond that.

  2. Holly, I don’t whether Haggard’s current gospel is the same as he’s always taught, or not. Either way, his “restoration” places him, or keeps him, under Gods’ curse.

  3. Good follow up Johninnc on Haggard’s current gospel.

  4. Jack, I apologize, I usually try to use KJV here, and am preferred, but sometimes in copying and pasting, I don’t realize the translation, I’ll try to be more careful 🙂 Yes, Haggard is a mark and avoid for sure.

  5. John

    I thought he was still a Haggardly hasbeen. I agree — if he believes his James statement of beliefs — he is preaching and believing a false message — and he himself is accursed. (Galatians 1:8-9)

    One wonders what kind of person is attracted to these types of religions and “teachers.”

    We know that only the Gospel, the simplicity that is in Christ could dissuade them. But even so — folks who have fallen for such a blatant lie have often hardened themselves to the Truth.

    In Jesus Christ eternally, Jack

  6. Jack, you said: If he believes his (NLC) Statement of faith record of the Bible, then I would guess he probably is a true Christian.

    My comment: Haggard’s current church, St. James Church, has the following in its Statement of Faith:

    Repentance: Repentance is the commitment to turn away from sin in every area of our lives and to follow Christ, which allows us to receive his redemption and to be regenerated by the Holy Spirit. Thus, through repentance we receive forgiveness of sins and appropriate salvation (see Acts 2:21, 3:19; 1 John 1:9).

    This is commitment (Lordship) “salvation”, which is a false gospel. If this is the “faith” to which Haggard has been restored, it is not the Christian faith.

    This Pentecostal/Charismatic movement seems to largely be LS on steroids.

  7. Thanks Jack, I was wondering on the implication regarding his ministry in the eyes of man. I did see your response to Curtis and definitely agree, thank you for your response!

    In His love to you all.

  8. Holly,

    I believe you may find my answer to that question in my reply to Curtis.

    Blameless before God but not necessarily held blameless before men (the world, the congregation or individuals).

    Incidentally, the word “disqualified” in your NKJV is translated “castaway” in the KJV and has a variety of meanings, some severe: “unapproved, i.e. rejected; by implication worthless (literal or moral) :- castaway, rejected, reprobate.”

    And I believe it would also impact his Judgement Seat rewards.. since his works are judged, whether good or worthless.

    In Jesus Christ eternally, Jack

  9. Hi Jack, I probably didn’t divide up my thoughts well enough.

    What I was thinking is of an elder being found blameless, and since they are already blameless in God’s sight, I assumed a bishop being blameless, must speak to in front of men, (such as the justification seen in James 2, not justified before God, but before men), and for a testimony, for the benefit of others (Titus 3:8).

    What I was asking separately, if Paul having dealt with the seriousness of sexual sin in several passages, and saying these things in the two passages I quoted, was he speaking solely of being disqualified from rewards, or does it possibly also speak to disqualifying one from ministry since if the body is not in subjection it might bring reproach on the body of Christ? (Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. 1 Tim 3:7)

    Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body. 1 Cor 6:18

    But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified. 1 Cor 9:27

    Thanks Jack, In Him, Holly

  10. Holly,

    About the two verses you reference: 1 Cor 6:18 and 1 Cor 9:27:

    We know all believers are confirmed eternally blameless before the Lord by their faith:

    1 Cor. 1:7b-8
    “….. our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    However, among believers, a guilty party may not be considered blameless. I know in my own life, having personally known several church leaders who failed the scriptural morality requirements (1 Cor 6:18), it is relatively easy for me to say I forgive them (even though they did great emotional damage to some members of my church and family) — it is still difficult after many years to forget what they did for the same reason.

    I pray this helps clarify.

    In Jesus Christ eternally, Jack

  11. Thanks Curtis,

    Some fellowships of believers have differing opinions on the subject — but I don’t see how they justify it, given the scriptures. But it is not surprising to hear some congregations make their “own rules” of leadership conduct.

    I just remembered (years ago) a situation in the church where I trusted Christ as my Savior. One of our Deacons, a brilliant scientist, science and Bible Sunday school teacher and a High school science teacher announced he would follow the “OT example of multiple wives.” Pastor called an emergency meeting with him, the Pastor, Elders and Deacons. He could not be dissuaded so he was dismissed as a Deacon forthwith by unanimous vote – before, (we think), he initiated the practice. He left the fellowship and divorced his sweet wife. The decision was necessary to conform with Scripture, for the church’s Christian testimony in the community and that the ministry not be blamed.

    In Jesus Christ eternally, Jack

  12. Thanks Dori,

    We pray the Lord will continue to bless you also.

    In Jesus Christ eternally, Jack

  13. good points Jack

    also would like to add with King David , He was a King and once a King a King is until death. So really cant equate that to the new testament leadership.

    Curtis

  14. I agree, Jack, I did point out there was a difference between what Paul did as an unbeliever and when a believer sins. Thanks again for responding.
    God Bless you and Shirley.

  15. Dori,

    Paul was a persecutor of Christians before he trusted Christ as his Savior, so at the time time he believed in Jesus his sin was under the blood of Christ, he was forgiven. After that he then became a Christian leader (Apostle).

    The question you posed was about restoring a Christian leader who has failed the Biblical requisites of leadership as outlined in the scripture I quoted. The one verse on restoring “a man” to church fellowship does not apply to a leader’s “restoration.” There are no such verses.

    A church leader who has trusted Christ as Savior but fails the moral test is to be excluded from leadership in the Body of Christ.

    Your friend’s question, “Our sins are as far as the east is from the west so why don’t we do the same with these men.” The Biblical restriction is for leadership not fellowship or friendship. Of course if that person continues his erroneous ways and will not heed admonishment (his salvation still guaranteed by God), scripture says he should be excluded from fellowship in the body of Christ.

    That is my understanding of those scriptures.

    In Jesus Christ eternally, Jack

  16. There is consequences for sin , The sword never left Davids House .

    10Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house; because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife.

    13And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die. 14Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.

    Yes and David was named a Man after God’s own heart and God used him greatly after that in spite of .

    of course Mr Haggard can continue to be used and be a witness to others and go ahead and start another church. Mr. Haggard was the one who resigned from pulpit once that is done it is finished and the search for another pastor begins .

  17. I want to add, the thought process I am understanding from them is, that God forgives our sins, they are as far as the east is from the west, forgotten, so why don’t we do the same with these men. That is what I was told.

  18. Jack,
    Thank you for taking the time to respond, I will share what you have posted.
    I was also given the example that Paul was a murderer, and then became a leader.
    My response was that he did that before he was a believer.
    Do you have any suggestions as to what I might add to a statement such as that?
    Again, thank you for your help, it is very much appreciated.

  19. Sorry Jack, referencing the passages I quoted.

  20. Holly,

    Blameless? Good question.. Yes as a believer in Jesus Christ before the Lord — but before men, their testimony is very likely always questionable. I personally know a half dozen “leaders” who fit that category.. I have personally forgiven them but forgetting the damage to the Body, to friends and family is very difficult.

    Not sure of your question — First and second what? Verses in Corinthians or points in my post? Sorry I am dense today.

    Thanks

    In Jesus Christ eternally, Jack

  21. Thanks Jack. I wonder if they can be found blameless after such a fall? I think on these two, specifically the 2nd, not sure if it applies to what Paul was speaking of, whether rewards/crown and whether it includes also his ministry having reproach on it in this lifetime, maybe you could help?

    Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body. 1 Cor 6:18

    But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified. 1 Cor 9:27

  22. Dori

    Thanks again for your questions. I had expected to give a short, concise answer but it went somewhat beyond that. You will find differing opinions in different conservative Grace congregations but I believe the following to be proper, Biblical answer to your questions.

    There are apparently no scriptures instructing believers to “restore” a Bishop (pastor overseer), Deacon or Elder to his position of leadership in the Body of Christ after an illicit affair or divorce, or divorce, “annulment” and remarriage.

    Here is the Apostle Paul’s statement about “a man” in the Galatian congregation. In context, Paul applies this to “a man” in the fellowship of the Body of Christ and is NOT speaking of a Bishop, Elder or Deacon being restored to a position of church leadership in the Body:

    Galatians 6:1
    Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

    Paul, in 1 Cor. 5:6-7 speaking of sexual immorality in the Body of Christ:

    [6] Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

    Indiscretions left unattended in some members encourage and often justify, in their minds, the same behavior in others.

    [7] Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. …

    Remove them from your congregation. Why?
    1 Cor. 6:15-16

    Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. [16] What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.”

    Here is a Partial list of Bishop’s (Pastors/Overseers) and Deacon’s responsibilities and qualifications:

    1 Tim. 3:1-16
    [2] A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
    [7] Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
    [8] Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre; [9] Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
    [10] And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless. [11] Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
    [12] Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ….

    Verse 12 above does not indicate that one can divorce and remarry.

    See: 1 Cor. 7:39 to understand the principle of believer’s Biblical remarriage:

    [39] The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.

    Every sin is covered by the blood of Christ for all who by Grace through their faith decision to trust Jesus Christ alone..

    However, positions of leadership in the Body of Christ must be special as outlined above.

    I pray this helps.

    In Jesus Christ eternally, Jack

  23. Dori,

    Thanks for visiting ExPreacherMan and for your question.

    Others here are welcome to chime in if they wish and I will try to get back to you tomorrow with some scripture details.

    In Jesus Christ eternally, Jack

  24. So there is no scripture that states they cannot be restored to their previous leadership position?
    Also, is the restoration process clearly laid out in the Bible? If so, please let me know the specific scripture.
    Thanks, Jack.

  25. Holly,

    Thanks… “Husband of one wife…” speaks volumes.

    In Jesus Christ eternally, Jack

  26. Curtis,

    Great Biblical points.

    In Jesus Christ eternally, Jack

  27. 1cor 5:1-13

    however need to prayerfully consider the context of 1 cor 5 : 1-13

    Gal 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
    Gal 6:2 Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

    In mans eyes the issue with Mr Haggard is he rejected the restoration plan of the elders if you could call it that. In the very least he was supposed to move out of state to start another ministry BUT that is what i read on the internet and don’t have all the details if he signed up for that or not.
    For him to equate his restoration position to the same as a fallen celebrity he is taking it lightly the office of bishop (pastor) they are not comparable.

    I would like to see him step up and preach a clear gospel salvation message but according to his doctrinal statement I don’t see that happening.

    Curtis

  28. I should have worded it, I don’t know if you have noted verses that seem specific, the ones that came to mind for me were in 1 Tim 3, being above reproach, of good behavior, ruling his house well, being found blameless, being proven in those areas, so I guess it does not specifically say they cannot be restored unless someone else knows of some otherwise.

  29. On a whim, I decided to see if you had an article on Haggard. A friend had asked about something concise, her family does not seem to understand why he cannot Biblically be restored to leadership in the church.

    I know he had associations with the New Apostolic Reformation, he was in with the likes of C. Peter Wagner, Rick Joyner, Mike Bickel and others. But they have erased proof of most of those records, except for the few discernment places that saved screen shots. He seems to have a powerful following. I will share your link with her. I don’t know if you noted the verses regarding why sexually immorality disqualifies one from being restored to the ministry, I’ll go back and look after I share the link with her.

    Thanks again.

    Meanwhile if anyone has new info on Haggard it would be appreciated.

  30. Thanks Lynda,

    You are absolutely right, Jesus’ “Blood is Enough.”

    Discernment is key.. and that discernment should be grounded in the very REASON for a believer’s existence.. sharing the Gospel of Jesus Christ!

    Eat the hay and spit out the sticks! I like that!

    Thanks for your Biblical thoughts.

    In Christ eternally…

    ExP(Jack)

  31. All have sinned, and all sin has been paid for. We can never really know what is between another person and our Holy God. Man looks on the outward parts, but God looks on the heart and knows. That’s why, while we will know a certain amount by the fruit that a tree is producing, we will never be able to judge the eventual disposition of another, to heaven or hell. Someone can honestly have been born again, with a real spiritual renewal, and still be following some secret sin, hating themselves as they commit it. God can restore, just as God forgives, and the Blood is enough! We have a responsibility to help and a command to forgive… but we are never to trust such a one again with spiritual leadership. Leaders are held to a higher standard of behavior because sheep are stupid creatures who tend to follow the shepherd instead of the Shepherd. We went to a conference at Haggard’s church, and I was uncomfortable with some things that were said and some things that were not said. But I have learned from my own pastor’s direction to be at least as smart as a donkey… eat the hay and spit out the sticks! Be noble in searching the Scriptures to see if the things that are told you are true; you are responsible for what you believe and whose word (or Word!) you are accepting. That said… enough said! 🙂

  32. MsGreen,

    Thanks for stopping by..

    Yes — the natural tendency when Christians see such debauchery is to first assume they have never trusted Christ alone as their Savior.. (maybe they trust in their works plus Christ — not effective).

    But we must also realize that a person’s faith is between him and the Lord..

    So I agree — he needs Christ.. The world needs Christ. I would like to sit down and speak with Haggard and his family alone.. Then with the guy who chose homosexuality as his lifestyle.

    They need Christ!!

    ExP(Jack)

  33. We need to pray for Haggard and his family, but also for the homosexual who brought this whole affair out in the open. He needs Christ as well.

  34. The man and his family need prayer.

    Woody

  35. To Maria, Winsome One and Mike:

    Maria:

    I did not read Mrs. Haggard’s letter.. but she must be a strong woman to do what she has decided to do.

    Winsome One:

    Ted Haggard DOES matter to our Savior.. However, of course and most important , whether or not Ted has truly trusted Christ as his Savior.. We do not know that. If he has not, he needs to make that decision to trust Jesus alone for his eternity. The Lord and Ted are the only two who know for sure.

    Meanwhile, I can do nothing for Ted except pray for him and his family.

    To Mike:

    Thanks for dropping by…

    You said:
    “Determining whether one is saved or not merely on the basis of a profession is dangerous ground.”

    I would say that a profession of faith in Jesus Christ alone for salvation is the only way we can determine a person’s faith or salvation. We listen to their words. Certainly we cannot tell by their works, because many cults, popular religions and religious leaders have great works but proclaim a false doctrine instead of faith in Christ alone.

    Yes, as Ephesians 2:10 says, we as believers “SHOULD” walk in good works.. and I, for one, am happy the Lord did NOT insert the word “MUST” in there instead.

    As far as the preacher in question, I am not sure what you mean by “I’m glad that the ex-preacher has supposedly repented of his sin (I’ll take your word for it, for I never heard about that) and been restored.”

    I do not understand the use of the word “repent” there without a clear definition. I did not say that he had “changed his mind (“repented of his sin” (?) – as you said)”. I did not say that he has been restored. I know of several Pastors who have had him speak in churches and I agree with you about the un-Scriptural cruelty of that. It is just flat out wrong. As I said, his ministry in any organized fashion is damaged and finished — but as a believer he still has the obligation to share Christ anywhere he can and I am happy he is doing that. (But not in Bible preaching churches and organizations).

    But Mike, I still love him in the Lord and thank him for leading me to salvation in Jesus Christ.. I certainly abhor the things he did to besmirch the name of my Savior, his wife, family and all of us who knew him.

    Sin has consequences to the Body of Christ and in the world far beyond what the sinner himself wants to see.

    Thanks for your continuing prayers.

    ExP (Jack)

  36. Brother Jack,
    You rekindled some of the slumbering details of a sordid life of which we both were exposed to under the guise of Biblical Christianity. History is filled with such stories, as are the Scriptures. Determining whether one is saved or not merely on the basis of a profession is dangerous ground. Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Jones and Jim Bakker all professed to be saved as well. The ex-preacher we both know was as prolific as a ladies man as he was in giving out the gospel message. There was another female student he was involved with at the same time as the one he eventually married, which brought about the whole mess being brought out into the open. He also was involved with his long-time secretary. This was no stumble into sin by which a spiritual person could restore him- this was the man within, and all the while pretending to be someone else. Like Ted Haggard, he wasn’t about to realize his sin for he was covering it, nor would he have repented of it had he not been caught. The Charismatics will no doubt see that one of their own will have the “Lord” speak to them and direct them to put the Sodomite Haggard into another ministry. They aren’t content anyway with the authority of the written Word of God. Like you, I’m glad that the ex-preacher has supposedly repented of his sin (I’ll take your word for it, for I never heard about that) and been restored. But there are consequences to which all associated with him need to realize: he should never be allowed a platform anywhere to pastor or to minster from a guest pulpit. Those that have invited him and those that do aren’t being kind – they’re being cruel, to everone who has maintained the dignity and testimony of the ministry before a Holy and Just God. As certain as we are to uphold the guarantee of salvation, we must also hold up the guarantee of God’s warnings (I Cor.6:9-11). To isolate one to the exclusion of the other is to create error, just as much as the unbelievers who isolate the attribute of God’s love to the exclusion of a hundred or so other attributes. My take – be true to the whole counsel of God. Be genuine inside and out, and keep short accounts with God. . .and be sure that if you don’t, your sin will find you out.
    Keep on keeping on – you’re in our prayers that God will continue to use you for His glory.
    Mike

  37. “Does Haggard matter to me… No.”

    Expreacherman, he may not matter to you, but does he not matter to your Savior?!

    Have you forgotten Luke, chapter fifteen?
    one sheep – found and carried home
    one coin – found
    one son – returned

    I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

    Last weekend one more straying child of His was found out and is now being carried back where he belongs. He matters to his Savior.

  38. We are all sinners… It takes courage to admit a failing.

    The letter Ted’s wife wrote to their church was powerful -she said she’ll stick by him and be with him always.

    God bless
    Maria in the UK
    http://www.inhishands.co.uk

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