Another Gospel – The Truth about Lordship “salvation.”

Our friend Mark Andre has produced an amazing Biblical video, proclaiming the Truth of the Gospel of Grace and exposing all that is wrong with Lordship “salvation,” Calvinism and other false teachings.

Mark called several months ago asking permission to use some material and ideas from ExPreacherMan.com. We are happy we consented.

The progression of the video keeps your attention — Mark explains the simplicity of the Gospel of Grace and then, naming names, he exposes the preachers and proponents of “works salvation” (Probation). This mission is especially important to Mark because his is a former member of John MacArthur’s church. He realized the Truth, abandoned the lie perpetrated by JMac and is dedicated to exposing those who insist on adding works to the Gospel of God’s Grace.

This is a must watch video. Please recommend it to your friends, especially those who may be mixed up in false teaching. It is also a good doctrinal review for all believers.

Great job, Mark!!

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69 responses to “Another Gospel – The Truth about Lordship “salvation.”

  1. Mark thanks for the video,I wish they would play it in church.Could you imagine the uproar that would cause.Maybe then they would look into this and see what is true for themselves.I was thinking of Paul being a pharisee before God used him to preach the Gospel of grace,and you coming out of jmacs church to be used by God to preach grace amazing how that happens.I know you could of went on all day mentioning false teachers but I wish you would of mentioned Billy Grahams adding on to the Gospel of grace as he is known by most everyone.Thanks for standing for the clear Gospel.

  2. Jack,

    Thank you brother for all of your support, and the support of those who are looking to Christ and to Him alone for their salvation, the material uploaded on this great site helped me tremendously in my research. Sam, thanks for the comment, and i do wish that i had said more, but i wanted to keep it short and to the point– that is what Jack recommended when we spoke a few months back. God bless all those who are contending for the Free Grace of God.

    In Christ,
    Mark

  3. Mark,

    We appreciate your labor of Love for our Savior and His simple message of Salvation by Grace alone through Faith alone in Jesus Christ alone, PERIOD.

    After all these years in the ministry for the Lord I am still amazed that there are so many teachers, organizations and followers who pride themselves in adding their works to the finishes work of Christ.

    So, we continue contending for the Faith once delivered to the Saints — God’s Word.

    We pray the Lord will continue to bless you and your ministry and that your video message will go viral on the Internet.

    In Jesus Christ eternally, Jack

  4. Sam,

    While we realize Videos are often more convincing, we have several great expose’ articles on Billy Graham and his false messages here at ExP:

    and:

    We have many more mentions of Graham in hundreds of comments. Use our Search facility in the right margin.

    In Jesus Christ eternally, Jack

  5. Reblogged this on Stand For the Faith and commented:
    Please take time to listen to this excellent explanation of false gospels and the one true gospel. Credit goes to Mark Andre on his fine work.

    Jim F

  6. That is one of the best videos out there and I watched a lot of them. Very clear visually and to the point.

    2 cor 13:5 caught my attention I never heard it mentioned like that , I was always hammered with it and hammered others with it. I am re studying it for myself and am seeing it differently now . I see that context

    Nice Work Mark

    Curtis

  7. Mark, Excellent video in exposing these Lordship Salvation Hall of Shamers! When I was a younger believer, I was for a period of time led astray and deceived by the false teachings of MacArthur because I lacked spiritual discernment and experience, but now I know better. These are the big bad wolves contaminating and distorting the true Biblical gospel of John 3:16 and they need to be exposed.

  8. Curtis,

    2 Cor 13:5 is one of their favourite proof texts, and they bash people over the head with it at every turn. I have never bought into their interpretation, because as i stated in the video– Paul would not tell the believers in Rome and Galatia one thing, while telling the Corinthians another– he was not a doubleminded man. I’m glad the video was a blessing to you.

    In Christ,
    Mark

  9. Jim F,

    Thank you brother for your support, it is greatly appreciated. Blessings.

    In Christ,
    Mark

  10. Mark, powerfully presented. It was a blessing to share. You have a gift to put it all together succinctly. Well done! God bless your efforts to reach some for Christ.

  11. Thank you, this is a Powerful and thoughtful video.
    Because It is faith alone in Jesus Christ that saves us. Warning to beware of teaching outside the Bible that require works is so important today.
    Working at our faith is out of the love and desire to follow Jesus as His servant, not a requirement for eternity.

    Your posting reminds me of Dave Hunt’s warning in his book
    “When Will Jesus Come?” page 232-233 his comments on this subject comes with a serious warning to Christians.

    A DANGEROUS DELUSION

    The Bible declares that when Christ resurrects the dead saints He simultaneously catches up all living Christians together with them to meet Him in the air and to escort them to heaven. The language concerning the resurrection and the Rapture, which we have quoted already, could not be clearer:

    “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout…and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the coulds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord (I Thessalonians 4:16,17).

    Nevertheless, as we have already noted, it is being taught that at His return, rather than taking Christians to heaven, Christ joins them upon earth to rule over a kingdom which the Church has established for Him. While this is not Reformed theology, it is closely related thereto, and those of the Reformed persuasion, especially Reconstructionists, often identify with the charismatics and Pentecostals who promote the “Kingdom Now” teaching.

    The irreconcilable contradiction between such beliefs and the Bible could not be more obvious nor could the consequences be more serious. While we have earlier referred to these consequences, the warning bears repeating.

    The real Jesus Christ will catch us up to meet Him in the air and take us to heaven. Then what of those who look forward to meeting their “Christ” with their feet planted upon the earth–a Christ who has arrived to take over the “kingdom” they’ve established for Him? They have been working for Antichrist! His counterfeit kingdom will be established upon earth through a great peace-and -unity movement which will eliminate all political and religious differences worldwide. It is that new world order which Christ will destroy at His Second Coming. (Daniel 2:44; 2 Thessalonians 2:8).”

    A warning well taken!
    In His Love Always,
    Marcie

  12. ken vanderhamm

    Thank you for all your hard work in putting this video together, it is the best I have seen on this topic, keep defending the faith brother. I checked on youtube but couldn’t find it, will it be available there soon?

  13. Marcie,

    Welcome to ExPreacherMan.com and thanks for your interesting thoughts.

    Yes, the “Kingdom Now” folks (Charismatics, Reconstructionists, Calvinists, Reformed, et al) are in error and have been for years. But the concept that they are actually building the antichrist’s “vile kingdom” is a powerful one and true. Ignorance is bliss, they say.

    And yes, the Lordship “salvation” teachers are likewise leading millions to a Christless eternity.

    In Jesus Christ eternally, Jack

  14. ken vanderhamm

    I found it on YouTube, thanks.

  15. Ken, the video link is above, but here is the actual youtube link.

  16. Click on the title where it says, “Another gospel” at the top of the video screen, it will take you to the youtube link.

  17. All I can say to the video is Amen. Have any of you thought about the fact that we have seemed to have gone back to before the reformation in our view of salvation. As I have shared here before it was a free grace friend in a church I was attending that really was used to get me turned around on the free offer of salvation. Looking back on my life I do not know for sure where I got off track but I did. Keep the faith guys. Be faithful in season and out of season. When the Lord gives the opportunity to speak to this issue be bold but gentle. One more thing, I find it ironic that the Lordship Salvation people don’t ever see the irony that the people in Matthew 7, the people who are not saved never say to Christ “didn’t I put my trust in you or did’nt I receive you as Savior?” but instead talk about their works and are the ones saying Lord Lord.

  18. Russell,

    Welcome back.

    Since the “reformation” was and still is a sham, it is a good thing we see some who drank the Calvinist KoolAid abandon it and that the greater majority never fell for it in the first place. But we must admit that in the last several years that terrible teaching is running rampant in our churches and seminaries all over the world.

    Those who know the Truth should bravely and with confidence proclaim the Truth — of salvation by Grace alone through Faith alone in Jesus Christ alone!! No T.U.L.I.P., No LS, No works required.

    Thanks for your discernment and desire to see the Truth prevail.

    In Jesus Christ eternally, Jack

  19. Hi Russell! Good to see you again.

    I think the reformed teachings never fell too far from the Roman Catholic church in the elect view (one true church) and who Christ died for, again, would be them, not the outsiders, etc.

    You said, “Looking back on my life I do not know for sure where I got off track but I did.

    I was thinking the same the other day, because I really didn’t attend a Lordship church, but what I did do is read a lot of books, and in that, it seems that there is a lot of error, in fact as we know, the majority are in error, (many will be deceived, many deceivers)

    I find it ironic too regarding Matthew 7. They don’t seem to see it. They do cry Lord Lord. They do wonderful works (that’s something else they seem to miss as they fruit inspect others, it’s inwardly they are ravening wolves). They don’t do the will of the Father (simply believe). They remind me so much of the people spoken of in Romans 10:3-4 who will not submit to His righteousness, but are still seeking to establish their own. They usually say it is tragic, I agree. It’s funny how the enemy delights in using Scripture to try to accuse the believers, but he doesn’t mind also accusing the oblvious lost sheep or wolves in the process. They just don’t see it.

    I wonder sometimes how Paul Washer or John MacArthur sleep at night. Aren’t they afraid that He never knew them? They are basing their perseverance ‘proof’ on their works, but they must know God’s standard of perfection and they have already failed. Or do they even think on these things? I know they cannot have His peace, so does the enemy give them a false sense of assurance?

    I just wouldn’t want to be them, or be with them. I still feel so badly for Paul Washer’s wife after I read her ‘testimony’ of finding out she was a ‘false convert’. A tear jerking story in that, there is no gospel, and in her coming to her husband for help, she received accusation and an agreement she probably wasn’t saved. He then left her to go to bed. He didn’t lovingly show her the Scriptures where she could know she was saved if she believed… He didn’t stay behind like he did for the dying man. No, I guess that wouldn’t been a good enough story later. Not enough drama for one of his videos. Even knowing he was a wolf, as a man, a husband, I was just incensed at his lack of compassion to his wife. But he operates off of fear, so he is confident, eventually they will come around to his way of thinking.
    Poor woman did. I pray she was once saved, and that one day she will come to her senses, and reject her husband’s false teachings.

  20. What a great video. And it doesn’t pull any punches. Thank the Lord.

    The world of “Christendom” is so terrified of naming names. Nice to see someone name names, and proclaim the Gospel. Because heaven and hell are in the balance here.

  21. Super, outstanding video. I am prayerfully hoping to share it with some family members and friends very soon. Thank you, Mark, for using your God given talents towards rescuing people from the false gospel of Lordship Salvation, which is no salvation at all.

  22. It is very seldom you see such a blatant expression of works for salvation as Michael Bloomberg did in an interview with the New York Times:

    Bloomberg points with pride to his work on gun control, obesity and smoking. “I am telling you if there is a God, when I get to heaven I’m not stopping to be interviewed. I am heading straight in. I have earned my place in heaven. It’s not even close,” he happily told Jeremy Peters at the New York Times.

    This is a good example of the mindset of the unchurched, and those in works based religions (which includes those teaching Lordship Salvation). They all place their hope in their works.

    Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (Matthew 7:22, 23 KJV)

    For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. (Romans 10:3-9 KJV)

  23. CLSeaman, (Chuck)

    Welcome back and Thanks.

    You are right — I heard Bloomberg’s idiotic and uninformed jest and mockery of the God of the Universe on TV.

    Ignorance will be no excuse for him despite his personal big-buck$ money campaigns and high and mighty claims to fame..

    In Jesus Christ eternally. Jack

  24. Wow! Profound teaching. So well presented. Thank you Mark Andre.

    Galatians 1:8 > ‘ . . . let him be accursed.’ I’ve been really troubled by this phrase. I found this definition online and wanted your opinion on it:
    ” . . . or “anathema”; see ( 1 Corinthians 16:22 ) which may respect his excommunication out of the church, and his sentence of condemnation by Christ at the last day; and the sense be this, let him be ejected from the ministry of the word, degraded from his office, and cast out of the church; let him be no more a minister, nor a member of it; and let him be abhorred of men, and accursed of Christ; let him hear the awful sentence, “go ye accursed”.

    The obvious question: does this imply that all these LS/Repentance/ (fill in the blank) teachers are going to hear ‘depart from Me, I never knew you”?

    As I mentioned in my first blog, I have attended several JMac Master’s churches filled with pastors, elders and laypeople all followers of JMac (not JESUS!). Are these leaders who teach this heresy all considered lost? This is terrifying. I’ve had conversations with JMac/LSers who refuse to see the simple gospel message for what it is, as you are all aware. I’ve shared the gospel and had spiritual conversations with lost people who have never stepped foot in a church. God sees both these groups as the same?! God sees hardened hearts in both camps?! When I’ve spoken with these LSers they are so hateful towards me and condemning, ironically it’s the unchurched that listen and have genuine discussions with me. Rarely do I receive anger from the unchurched. Quite different than from the evangelicals.

    As mentioned in another comment, this heresy is experiencing a resurgence in the church. My son attends a Calvary Chapel who’s pastor loves Jesus and preaches the simple gospel message regularly. However in one of the youth group Bible Study curriculums they used a book by Francis Chan and my son recognized the false LS/works salvation teaching. It’s everywhere! If Satan can’t bring it through the front door he brings it in a back door. Few are the churches that are free of this false stronghold.

    These false converts might as well attend a local Catholic church as at least it’s asthetically pleasing and has better music.

    Have a Blessed Resurrection Sunday,
    Cyndi

  25. Joy, I don’t accept the online definition that you cited. If someone has eternal life, he can never lose it – ever. That includes people who are believers, but fall into Satan’s snare of believing and preaching false LS gospels. I think believers who subsequently fall for LS are among those represented by the “second soil” in the Parable of the Sower. We also see in Galatians 5:1-9 that believers can be turned from the truth of the gospel.

    Likewise, with reference to 1 Corinthians 16:22, one can be a believer without loving Jesus. Such a person has eternal life that can never be lost or forfeited. Conversely, one can love Jesus without being a believer. Such a person does not have eternal life, as loving Jesus is a work (Deuteronomy 6:5: And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.).

    We can never know whether or not someone possesses eternal life, even if he preaches a false gospel or doesn’t love the Lord. Please see the article linked below for further discussion of this vitally important truth in defending the doctrine of eternal security.

    http://expreacherman.com/2013/12/21/why-we-cant-judge-whether-or-not-someone-possesses-eternal-life/

    One other point worth making: God desires that all men accept Jesus Christ as Savior (2 Peter 3:9). This includes any non-believers teaching Lordship “salvation.”

  26. Joy, one further note: the verse that you cited (Galatians 1:8) is one of the verses that is really mangled in some Bible translations.

    Some examples:

    NET © But even if we (or an angel from heaven) should preach 1 a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, 2 let him be condemned to hell!

    NIV © But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!

    NLT © Let God’s curse fall on anyone, including myself, who preaches any other message than the one we told you about. Even if an angel comes from heaven and preaches any other message, let him be forever cursed.

    Each of these adds (or strongly implies) that the curse is eternal damnation. None of the translations can be harmonized with 2 Peter 3:9 or 1 Timothy 2:4. God’s Word cannot be true if it contradicts itself.

    The KJV reads: But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

  27. Joy (Cyndi)

    John is very accurate in his quoting the false “bibles.” Likewise secular dictionaries have mostly adopted a false definitions of the word. Satan is at work in the world.

    In Galatians “Accursed” in the Greek is “Anathema.” The Biblical meaning is to be banned or excommunicated from a fellowship or church and the implication is that the person is to be disapproved and avoided. There is NO Greek definition of eternal condemnation in the context of Paul’s letter to the Galatians. Those “bibles” John quoted are as he indicated, TERRIBLE and fly in the face of true Bible doctrine of Eternal Life.

    Thanks so much for your interest in rightly dividing the Word of Truth.

    2 Timothy 2:15
    Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”

    In Jesus Christ eternally, Jack

  28. Clseaman – Chuck, Matthew 7 is the clearest Scripture to me, to point to the false doctrine of Lordship, whether by Arminians or Calvinists, it matters not, it is adding to the simple truth of the gospel. A friend posted a video (which I didn’t listen to) which was a song that was entitled,

    He Paid it all (which is true)… but unfortunately, the singer she said had all lordship (load-ship) lyrics. I told her we needed to help them out, they say they believe Grace is free, name their churches after grace, say they believe in faith alone in Christ alone with no works, but then they proceed to add, what you must do before, and what you must do after, and what you must do in addition. Here’s my little song for the Lordship singers which would be more apropos.

    “You paid it all, but here’s my bit.
    I make you Lord, to You all I submit.
    You paid it all, first I repent of my sins,
    And when I’m not sure, I’ll do it again.

    You paid it all, but here’s my part….
    I repent of my sins, ask you into my heart.
    You paid it all, first I repent of my sins,
    And when I’m not sure, I’ll do it again.

    I abandon all, put you on the throne,
    Am I saved yet? I feel totally alone….”
    You paid it all, I guess not for me,
    I can’t stop sinning, they say I’m not of thee.

  29. You commented that the person that might be teaching this type of gospel would be condemned by Christ at the last day. My thought is, we just don’t know if they were saved and then fell into the leaven of the Pharisees. No one loses their salvation, so there is no condemnation in Him. Those who have believed are not condemned… but they are accursed while preaching a false gospel and what tears when their works are burnt up at the judgment seat of Christ if they are His.

  30. Joy/Cyndi – sorry, I hadn’t quite scrolled down far enough. I know what you mean in the back door, have experienced the same with my children. Side door, hatch door, roof, etc., everywhere the enemy can gain a foot hold.

  31. I would like to ask for forgiveness for stating in my documentary that all Lordship teachers may be condemned to the Lake of Fire, i had no right to make that blanket statement and i apologize for saying so. If they truly believed the Gospel at one point, but have now fallen into heresy, then they will lose their rewards at the Judgment Seat of Christ, and they may be chastised down here on earth, but they are still saved. Yes, we must avoid them and warn others about their false doctrine, but that does not mean that they are not truly saved– no true believer can, or will lose their salvation, they are eternally secure. Thank you Jack for your gracious correction– i receive it gladly. Blessings to you all.

  32. Thanks Mark for your very clear correction.

    Below is the link to Mark’s new correction video.

    Mark you are a blessing to all of our readers and subscribers. We continue to pray that your videos will clear the air about the eternal security of every believer and continue to expose the terrible lie of Lordship “salvation.”

    May God bless you Brother, we love you in Christ our Savior.

    In Jesus Christ eternally, Jack
    (A Much Needed Correction by Mark Andre)

  33. Mark, thanks for the update to your video!

    As believers, there are many things that can thwart our progressive sanctification in this lifetime. LS doctrine is one of them.

    People who teach the damnable false gospel of Lordship “salvation” are to be marked and avoided. Like you said, some of them may have trusted in Christ as Savior at some point in their lives, but have fallen from grace (Galatians 5:4). Such people have eternal life, that can never be lost or forfeited, but they will not bear any fruit in their lives unless, and until, they return to belief in the gospel.

    There is a great quote from Clear Gospel Campaign on this topic:

    We acknowledge that believers may fall into error or confusion regarding salvation and works after their conversion, as happened to the church of Galatia (Galatians 1:6-7. 3:1). We further acknowledge that the believers of Galatia were regarded as “brethren,” (Galatians 1:3), having fallen into this grievous error subsequent to their coming to an authentic faith in Christ (Galatians 3:1-3). We note, however, that the authors of this grievous error, who had never believed on Christ alone, having simply added Jesus Christ to a pre-existing confession of salvation by works (Acts 15:1) were regarded as “false brethren.” (Galatians 2:4). To this end, we affirm that a lost sinner must, at some time in his life, believe on Christ alone, apart from the works of the law, for his salvation, and that apart from such an authentic moment of saving faith, there is no hope of salvation.

  34. Thank you Jack and thank you John, i appreciate those words. I will definitely try to be more careful with my words next time and not allow my emotions to get the best of me. Grace and peace to you all, and let us remember– He Is Risen!

  35. You know Mark, very humble of you to swiftly acknowledge that possibility. Paul called the ones teaching that way false brethren, so he may have had some insight that I don’t quite understand. All we all know, is what they teach is a gospel that will condemn people to an eternity in hell, and I appreciate your speaking the truth against the false gospels out there.

  36. Dear Mark;
    Thank you for your faithful ministry to believers and non-believers.
    God’s word does not return void. You will be used by God to reach many with His redeeming message of Hope and eternal security.

    Thank you all for your comments and scripture verses. Excellent doctrinal insight. I appreciate the clarifying of ‘accursed’. Yeah I thought the definition I posted was pretty weak. 8{. And the Galatians 5:1-9 reference/passage from John is excellent as well.
    Looking forward to more videos from Mark soon!
    Blessings to you all, Cyndi

  37. Also Mark that desert backdrop used in your video was spectacular! It reminded me of when we lived in Albuquerque.

  38. Dear Jack or John,

    Can either one of you give me the true Biblical definition and explanation of Predestination as taught in Scripture? For the past couple of days I have been arguing with a Calvinist who is using predestination in defending Calvinism.

  39. William, please find attached a sermon from Dr. Cucuzza that I think may help:

    http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=926112115304

    PLEASE NOTE: sermon audio.com is a clearinghouse for sermons by people with many different theological perspectives, including those that I would deem heretical (John MacArthur, Paul Washer, etc.). I do not make a blanket endorsement of this site – only the sermon from Dr. Cucuzza that I have posted.

  40. William, part of the key is not just the definition but how it is used. Think about what or is not being pre-determined. Context is your best asset when dealing with someone caught up in the definition itself.

  41. I meant to say there: think about what is or is not being predestined. Predestination pertains to the believer not to the unbeliever being selected.

  42. Holly, if i had a second pair of eyes looking over my shoulders, i probably would have tempered my comments when referring to the salvation of those men, but it makes me angry thinking about what they are doing to believers and their assurance. May God rescue those who have been caught in their nets. JoyFounder, thank you for your kind words, it is much appreciated. Btw, that backdrop was shot in Meadview, Arizona a few months back– it is spectacular there.

  43. I am so thrilled to have found this blog! I have been indoctrinated with Calvinist dogma for most of my 44 years of being a Christian. It’s like being brainwashed. About 5 years ago the Holy Spirit began teaching the errors of Reformed Theology and has been consistently helping me unlearn things. I almost got caught up again in the teachings of John McArthur, Paul Washer, David Platt and the like but within a few teachings I’d have a check in my spirit. I have gone almost exclusively to studying the Bible alone and not following the popular teachers of the day. Perhaps for the first time I’m learning what Scripture really says – not what I’ve been TAUGHT it says! Praise God!

  44. Kirk,

    Welcome to ExPreacherMan. We appreciate your visit and your comment.

    It is wonderful that you have responded to the Holy Spirit’s prompting in His Word and removed yourself and cleared your mind from the heresy that is Calvinism. Jesus promised that the Holy Spirit would guide believers into all Truth...(John 16:13) but as you have found out, to get full benefit of that guidance, believers should respond positively to His Word when guided.

    You asked if we know of a good free Grace church in Grand Junction CO. Maybe some of our readers will respond. Grand Junction seems to be known as a Calvinist hotbed.

    We look forward to hearing your encouraging comments in the future. I and many of our readers will be praying for your encouragement.

    In Jesus Christ eternally, Jack

  45. Thank you for your kind words. I can’t remember the last time I’ve had someone tell me they’d be praying for my encouragement. That alone is encouraging.

  46. Welcome Kirk
    We share similar freedom I was under the spell of legalistic Calvinism were intellectual accent of Christ was above an applied relationship in Christ. I hit rock bottom aug 9th 2010 and found Jesus is the rock at the bottom. I had to learn to trust myself reading scripture didn’t know how brain washed I was. Now I enjoy reading a couple verses of scripture and pondering them instead of trying to fit scripture into a system of thought. I had a foundation of Grace but gone astray for about 12 years deep into calvanism
    I found expreacherman blog about 6 months ago and is a Oasis of Grace.

  47. Welcome Kirk;
    I know that you will find a respite of grace, truth, and love here. Jack, Holly and others are such excellent examples of what the Apostle Paul refers to as edification and ‘building up’. I am a recent addition here as well. I too was immersed in the doctrines of condemnation, judgement and works. There is such a stark contrast between the attitude of those under the condemnation and uncertainty of Lordship Salvation/Calvinism/Repentance doctrines versus the freedom of resting in God’s mercy, grace, and His amazing gift, through His son, of eternal salvation.

    “Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost.” Titus 3:5

    When we meditate on grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, we realize God’s love nature. He did THAT for ME!? Contrast this with Calvinism that focuses on man’s ability to be ‘acceptable’ for eternity with God, never certain he will satisfy Calvinism’s requirements for justification. What kind of God would allow man to not know for certain of his eternal destination? What kind of God picks and chooses who is allowed to be saved and who will be sent to eternal separation and suffering? Certainly not a God of love! The God of the Catholic Church, and Calvinism, most certainly.

    What can separate us from the love of God!? Nothing! He loves us and we are forgiven. “IT is finished”! Nothing we do makes us righteous and “saved”. It’s all about Him! God bless you Kirk on your new found freedom to love and receive His love. I will be praying for you that you will grow in His knowledge and grace. That you will discern the truth, in love from His Word as He reveals His divine purpose for you.

    “For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
    Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
    Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.” 1 Thessalonians 5:9-11

    In Christ Alone,
    Cyndi

  48. Thanks for the warm welcome. Your comments have touched me already. Jack, I can’t think of the last time someone told me they were praying for my encouragement. Thank you.

    Since I am now among friends, I feel like I can now say things that have been stirring in my soul for a long time. Anytime I tried to talk about this with people who are LS-minded (and some of them don’t even realize this is what they are) they acted like a second head just sprouted from my shoulders.

    What seems to be missing from the LS crowd is love. Jesus tells us in Matthew 22 that the first and greatest commandment is to LOVE the Lord our God with all of our hearts, souls and minds. The greatest command is not to repent, make Christ Lord of our lives, strive for holiness, etc. It is to love God. Love. And how is it that we love Him? We love Him by understanding that he first loved us – loved us to the point of dying the death that is rightfully ours. If I love Him I certainly want to please him, right? So, my obedience should be the evidence of my love for Him, it is not the evidence of his love (or salvation) of me! The evidence of his love for me is that while I was yet in the very act of sinning, God demonstrated his love by Christ dying for me! The evidence of my salvation cannot be seen because it only involves my believing and receiving what he did for me. Nothing more! Only the evidence of my love for Him can be seen. So, is it possible for a believer to continue in sin? Sure. I would say it doesn’t mean they are unsaved but that they do not love their Savior.

    And what is the second commandment? It’s similar to the first one – love others as you love yourself. There’s that word again: Love. According to 1 Corinthians 13, it’s possible to say and do all the right things but if the motivation is not completely and totally from love, even “correct” behaviors are nothing more than spiritual noise pollution. And how will others know we are followers of Christ? They’ll know by the love we have for one another. Love – now that’s radical!

  49. Kirk, praise the Lord for His tender mercies, to wash us up by His Word. I have several friends who have come out of a long time of reformed religion, of course, Jack is one who was raised in it. But it’s such a beautiful thing to see both these women and men I know with such godly wisdom now, thirsty for His truth, shedding men and listening to the Spirit’s leading. It’s really exciting and a blessing all wrapped up to just watch them. It’s so different than the declaration that we have done nothing (including believe). It’s just amazing to see people fall on the Rock (as what happened to me after being saved, but years of legalism and mixed up teaching). Help me Lord, and cooperating by getting into His Word, praying every step, He was and is and will be, so faithful to me.

    I’m sure you can relate, but what a strangle hold of fear came off of me. The enemy seems to wrap and entwine his subtle tentacles of deception and getting extricated and washed from every trace takes time, but is worth the excitement of the AHA moments as we study His Word with His approval foremost to us.

    Yes, I agree with Jack in prayer for your encouragement, as I know the Lord is so good to do, right on time.

  50. Trevor Binkley

    Mark,

    Question for you, at the end of the video you mentioned that those who really, truly believe in Jesus will be saved. What does it look like to “truly” believe in Jesus?

    I am having a hard time understand how James’ warnings fit in to the view you shared in your video? How does your view reconcile with James 2:18-24 for example?

    How does your view square with my father who has been a heroine addict for 14 years and an alcoholic for the majority of his life. He says he had a faith experience when he and my mom first met and they even lived in a Christian commune. But they weren’t even married a year before he had his first affair, and he had many others during their 20 years of marriage. Obviously only God knows people’s hearts, but based on the position you are sharing do you think that he could be a Christian despite the 34 years since he had continued to harden to the things of God?

    Thank you for your time,

    Trevor

  51. Trevor,

    Thank you for the question. Now, you asked “What does it look like to “truly” believe in Jesus?”. It means that a person knows what the Gospel is and that they have put their faith and trust in the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ on the cross, apart from any works, to save them– His death, burial and resurrection from the grave, according to the Scriptures, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 and Ephesians 2:8-9. Also, the Book of James is speaking to believers, not unbelievers, and no one’s salvation is being questioned– here is a great treatise on James 2 by Dr. Tom Cucuzza, he clears up a lot of misconceptions about that chapter and he does it much better than I ever could: http://expreacherman.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/cucuzza-faith-without-works-is-dead.pdf. Also, you said that your father had a “faith experience”– what exactly does that mean? (i’m being respectful). The Bible nowhere speaks about a “faith experience”, but about a belief in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross. Many people go to church and are uplifted by sermons from the pulpit, but that does not mean that they have believed on the Gospel to save them, it simply means that they had an emotional high from a smooth talking preacher. However, if your father did believe the Gospel (only God knows), and he’s living like that now, then he will either be chastised by the Lord down here on this earth, or he will lose whatever rewards he would have otherwise received when he stands before the Lord at the Judgment Seat of Christ, 1 Corinthians 3:12-15. But again, what kind of “faith experience” did he have thirty-four years ago? that’s what i would really like to find out.

    God bless,
    Mark

  52. Trevor, thanks for your question. I know it was directed to Mark, but I wanted to make a couple of observations.

    James was written to Christians (the word “brethren” is used 15 times in James) to motivate them to live an active faith – not to determine who the “real Christians” were. If Christians always live like they should, why do you think the book of James was written? Please see the booklet linked below for a further explanation:

    http://expreacherman.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/cucuzza-faith-without-works-is-dead.pdf

    Regarding your father, we cannot know his heart. But, if he ever believed in Jesus as his Savior, he has eternal life that can never be lost or forfeited. If a believer who falls into sin were to lose his eternal life, than none of us could ever be saved.

    Trevor, all of us sin, some more than others. But, we have to be perfect to get into heaven. Either all of one’s sins are forgiven, or none of them are.

    If you don’t know whether or not your father is saved, you should ask him if he is going to heaven. If he says yes, ask him why. If he tells you that it is because he believes that Christ died for his sins, and was raised from the dead, then that is a pretty clear testimony. If he says yes, but bases his assurance of heaven on anything but Christ, or if he seems unsure of his salvation, why not tell him the gospel message? Linked below is a booklet that you might find helpful in explaining things to him:

    http://www.cleargospel.org/booklet.php?b_id=3

  53. Trevor Binkley

    Mark/John,

    Thank you both for your responses. I agree that James is written to believers, but the context of chapter 2 seems pretty specific when James writes in 2:14 – “What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?” It certainly seems to be addressing the issue of saving faith, and since this is the context for the section that James says “faith without works is dead” it would appear to be a part of the larger discussion. I read Cucuzza’s explanation of this verse in light of 1:21, but I do not find his use of a biblically foreign category of “practical salvation” persuasive. Chapter 2:14-26 is very simple to understand once we realize that James is using a different example from Abraham’s life that Paul did in Romans 4. Paul used the example to demonstrate that Abraham’s faith in God regarding the promise of his offspring was justifying faith. But James uses an example from much later in Abraham’s life to demonstrate how Abraham’s faith worked. Abraham was positionally and fully saved by faith in God’s promise to him, but Abraham’s faith was also not dead it was a working faith. Once we pull in the OT context of the example the meaning is transparent.

    My main question is that I resonate with much of what you said in the video regarding grace, faith, and Christ alone, but I am trying to understand what makes faith genuine faith? If someone has what seems to be genuine faith for a day is that genuine faith? Is it a week, month, year, or is it perhaps only minutes or seconds?

    I appreciate your time in wrestling through these things. Blessings

  54. Trevor – Praying your dad might really believe and if not you might be able to share the gospel as was mentioned by John and Mark. (Good names by the way)…

    We know some believers have done some very shameful things and I pray if he is a believer, he might draw near to God so He will draw near to him.

  55. Trevor, I will address your questions in reverse order.

    First, the Bible never uses terms like “justifying faith”, “saving faith” or “genuine faith.” These are all man-made contrivances, that many of us have unwittingly allowed into our conversation. The Bible consistently uses “belief”, “believe”, “believed”, “believeth”, “receive”, “received” or “faith” when describing how someone becomes saved. You might be interested in the following article on that topic:

    http://expreacherman.com/2014/04/21/in-search-of-a-true-believer/

    Second, you said: ” I read Cucuzza’s explanation of this verse in light of 1:21, but I do not find his use of a biblically foreign category of ‘practical salvation’ persuasive.”

    My comment: Let me ask you a couple of practical questions. How many times must someone demonstrate that his faith “works” in order to prove he is saved? More specifically, Trevor, if someone never demonstrates that his faith “works”, is he saved? If you answer no to the last question, than you are really not believing that someone is saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone.

  56. Good day,

    I don’t think I have ever read Tom’s explanation of James BUT here are my thoughts.

    verse 14 – can faith save him?

    one must ask, save him from what? it is not hell as the book is written to believers. so what are they being saved from.

    go back to verse 13 – judgment.

    There are 2 other forms of judgment
    1. God chastening hand (Hebrews)
    2. The judgment seat of Christ where our WORKS are tested/judged (1 Cor)
    = I lean more to #2

    about verse 21 – see how Abraham was justified by works?
    – see verse 22 – with works his faith was made PERFECT.

    Works help bring faith to PERFECTION.

    2 Tim 3:16-17 – All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

    17 That the MAN OF GOD may be PERFECT, thoroughly furnished unto ALL good works
    – notice – the audience of this passage are “men of God” (saved) that they may be perfect.

    No works in salvation – Rom 11:6 – 6 And if by grace, then is it NO MORE OF WORKS: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work

    you asked what does faith look like? Be careful with that. Even satan presents himself as an angel of light. False prophets come in “sheeps clothing” BUT are “inwardly” ravenous wolves.

    Faith SHOULD produce works but works cant prove faith. if that is the case, the carnal church of Corinth could not possibly be saved – but they were.

    A question with ALL humility. Are you going to heaven when you die? Why or why not?

    with respect,

  57. Sure is so much in ‘Christendom’ that is man-made phrases, terms, traditions and thoughts that need to be clarified or even undone by the truth of God’s Word. Born again of incorruptible seed…The engrafted Word that works effectually in all that believe. (1 Pet 1:23; James 1:21; 1 Thess 2:13)

    We are instantly translated into the Kingdom of His dear Son. Sealed unto the day of redemption. Made a new creation. Seated in heavenly places. Adopted as sons. Born again. So many misunderstand that to mean that we see the supernatural work God has done to justify us, glorify us, sanctify us, perfect us forever. Instantly by His one offering, once for all (Heb 10:10,14).

    It is for some of us, a long time, until we are practically or progressively sanctified, because we do not cooperate, we don’t abide in His Word, the way we are sanctified (Jn 17:17).

    But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: that, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord. 1 Cor 1:30-31

  58. That was excellent.I was wondering could anyone tell me what is wrong with the Anglican church.I have a feeling that they are reformed.I was an Anglican & I know a few people that are too.i know they have baptism wrong for starters.But that’s probably not the worst of it.Once again thanks for that video.Feel so sorry for the people that believe in works,they will go to hell,if they don’t just believe in Jesus for salvation,there is so many lost people in this world & in hell already,it’s just awful.All the false preaching out there is just so evil,the poor people that a sucked into the lies.I am so glad that I am saved,because I was one of them,I believed everything they dished out.I am saved simply by believing that Jesus is God who died for me on the cross,was buried & raised to life after three days.Can’t say that enough either,I soothe myself with the gospel,I never get tired of hearing how to be saved.It’s exciting,God is exciting & I feel sorry for people that don’t realize it.

  59. Genevieve, thank you for your comment. Now, the Anglican / Episcopal Church is a mess! They are extremely ecumenical, and all you have to do is look at the many conferences and meetings that they have had with the Catholics, Muslims, Hindu’s, and all the other religious groups out there. Many of their churches are also members of the World Council of Churches, an extremely liberal and apostate organization, that rejects the saving Gospel of Jesus Christ for a social “gospel” that cannot save anyone. Btw, hundreds of Anglican Bishops and Priests defected to the Roman Catholic Church a few years ago, because they thought that their church was going “liberal” for ordaining women– ecumenical ties with demonic religions is fine, but ordaining women is going too far– what a sick and pathetic group of hirelings! Btw, i am not in favour of women preachers, i’m simply pointing out how apostate they are. They also reject a literal six day creation for the farce of Evolution, many of their churches are also ordaining openly homosexual bishops and priests, and they have been called the poor man’s Roman Catholic Church, because so much of their practices are indistinguishable from those of the harlot of Rome. I could go on and on, but the most important thing is that they reject Grace Alone, thru Faith Alone, in Christ Alone to be saved. I pray that this helped. God bless sister.

  60. Thanks Mark,also a priest from an Anglican church I was getting counselling from gave me a book he wrote & he wrote in it that we have to follow Christ & invite him into our lives to be saved.I was already clued in on that being false preaching by then,because I read what expreacherman said about that.I’m going to send Tom Cucuzzas booklet on how to be sure you are going to heaven,to some people I know from the Anglican church.I remember the priest from the Anglican church I was going to,saying that we don’t receive the Holy spirit until after we are baptized & I knew that was wrong.I feel so sorry for all those poor people in that church,being misled.The church is full of old people,who are going to die soon & will be going to hell,if they haven’t believed the true gospel,all thinking that they are going to be with the Lord shortly.They think they are going to be with God,I did too,but I wasn’t saved & I bet if I asked them the Gospel they wouldn’t know it.I know a lot of things that I thought were biblical,aren’t & I’ve got to learn from scratch,I’ve asked God to teach me.Because you don’t realize how much of what you thought you knew was just made up,I believed everything I read,I bought piles of so called christian books & they were all lies.I had John Macarthurs book,Saved without a doubt,that not a fan book & J d Greears book called stop asking Jesus into your heart & I gave that to my neighbour,thinking I was doing God a service.I’m going to send that person Tom Cuccuzas booklet too. I had Packers books too & glad I didn’t get around to reading them,because I would have been filled with more lies & the list goes on.I loved Carson & Martyn Lloyd Jones & Spurgeon.So many false preachers.I was reading them & trying to get reassurance that i was saved & never felt like I was & I’m glad I never settled & accepted that i was saved,because i wasn’t.

  61. Genevieve, I know you have read Jim Floyd’s post on Idleman, you might also consider John’s article on Greear here. You know, they all recommend each other, and we want to know so we just keep buying more and more of men’s words, because we think they are more learned, and more righteous, and can help direct us to the right place. Don’t see a man on the list you mentioned that could do that, (except Tom Cucuzza of course).

  62. Mark S., would love to hear your thoughts on the ‘Eastern Orthodox’ (or anyone else here. I have my own thoughts, but this is family related and would like third party comments. She also went into one of the writings of st. Ignatius of Antioch. I showed her the error, but she wasn’t hearning.

  63. The Eastern Orthodox tend to deny penal substitution. That is, they do not believe that the work of Jesus Christ vicariously pays the penalty for the sins of mankind. Rather, they hold to either a ransom theory or christus victor. Simply put, they believe that the sacrifice of Christ saves us from the power of sin only, not from any specific penalty thereof.

  64. Thanks Dan Harris.

    I am not totally familiar with them, but enough to see they disagree with the substitutionary death of Christ, and I don’t even understand how they arrive there. I’m sincerely in awe that a truth that is seen throughout the entire Scriptures, that they can somehow change/exchange for a lie. How do they reconcile the St, Ignatius supposedly being from Antioch, yet the ransom theory, wasn’t it Origen? Mr. spiritualizer himself? Or did they evolve similarly to the Catholics where they suddenly are able to trace their genealogy back in time to their first ‘pope’? I am wondering what the basis for their claims are, that my family member might be deceived into thinking they are the ‘true’ church…. so tragic to me….

  65. Thank you for this video. It has helped me tremendously! When I read everyone’s comments? Oh my…..It’s unbelievable how angry and hostile everyone seemed to be. I was in a church of Christ and although it was hard to grasp that things could be so easy and I was confused. I was so happy to find out it was nothing I HAD to do!!! I would try so hard to please Him to gain entry to heaven and I fell flat on my face and hard too!!!

    This video is a wonderful thing. Thank you, Mark. I’m glad the Lord had called you to make this video.

    But seriously…..the hostility and pride of humans. We truly are wicked on the inside to think there’s anything we would be able to do to add to Christ’s finished work. How incredibly arrogant!

  66. Regarding this documentary, I want to take this opportunity to say how much I appreciate Mark’s “disclaimer after the fact” (characterized in comments here), the follow-up video, and the “disclaimer” pop-up comment in the original documentary that comes in around the 35:32 mark.

    When I first watched the film, on or around the day it was first shared on this blog, I had a lot of problems with it, all pretty much stemming from the things Mark has already addressed and in most cases corrected or clarified, surrounding the idea of calling out who is saved and not saved based on believing in and/or teaching a false gospel.

    At the time I first watched the documentary, I wanted to post here that I “just couldn’t give this film my endorsement in spite of the obvious good it does” or something like that. But I felt compelled to remain silent, and the reasons are, when all is said and done, irrelevant at this point. Though I’m sure not every one of my reasons was exactly noble, as I generally tend to run away from conflict, not a trait for which I’m proud.

    I’m very encouraged by Mark’s attitude and heart for wanting to be corrected. I just watched the film again for the 2nd time ever and am glad I scanned this comment thread to see that the issue was certainly something that didn’t go by unchecked, to say the least.

    I look forward to bigger and better things emanating from the fellowship at Expreacherman.com

    Thank you

  67. Fryingpan9, one thing I’ve learned about Mark S., he is always open to correction with God’s Word and accountability from other believers. He is humble and willing to instantly correct error. That’s how we all should be. In Christ :)

  68. Thank you, Holly. I agree. As could anyone willing to read this thread.

  69. FryingPan9. I sure do hope people “read” and ponder prayerfully this entire site. So much time and patience and proper handling of the Word has gone into this site, I know you are thankful, as am I, and praying that some will come to understand the subtilty of the enemy of our souls regarding the Gospel.

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