Lordship Salvation’s Demon Belief That Does Not Save

By Our Dear Friend, John

James 2:19: Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

James 2:19 is one of the favorite verses that Lordship “Salvationists” quote to try to convince themselves and others that one has to do more than trust in Christ to receive eternal life. Incidentally, you will usually hear them say “demons” instead of “devils”, because that is how the NIV and other LS Bibles have translated this verse.

When you hear someone raise James 2:19 as an objection to God’s free gift of eternal life through faith in Christ, you are hearing the voice of confusion and disbelief. You are a witness to the bad fruit of the LS tree. While it is true that demons believe and tremble, it is not true that this means that simple belief in Christ is not sufficient to save a human believer. Demons are beyond redemption, so the content of their faith is irrelevant. For a more compete discussion of this topic, click the attached link:

A Lordship “Salvationist’s” Prayer To His Prodigal Son

But, besides a demon’s belief, is there a belief that doesn’t save? Is it possible for a human being to believe that Jesus died, was buried, and rose from the dead and still not have eternal life? The answer to the above questions is a resounding YES. There is a belief that doesn’t save. In fact, there are all kinds of beliefs that don’t save, but not for the reasons that Lordship “salvationists” espouse.

Lordship “salvationists” believe that the performance of works, the promise of works, or the evidence of works MUST accompany faith in Christ in order to make that faith result in eternal life. Some of the more common adages that indicate that someone might have been “bitten by the LS bug” include:

  • “There’s head faith and heart faith, and only heart faith saves.”
  • “There’s no ‘fire insurance’. You have to want to follow Christ to be saved.”
  • “A believer won’t be sinless. But, he will sin less.”
  • “We are saved by faith alone, but the faith that saves is not alone.”
  • “We’re not saved by faith plus works, but we are saved by a faith that works.”
  • “A true Christian may backslide, but he will always return to the faith.”
  • “A Christian’s behavior will change once he is saved.”
  • “It is disciples who are saved.”
  • “Believing in Christ isn’t a ‘Get out of Jail Free’ card.”
  • “He can’t be your Savior if He’s not your Lord.”

Each of the above, and other similar expressions, indicate that someone is not quite comfortable with Grace. These types of statements expose an underlying misunderstanding of, or disbelief in, the part of the Gospel that says “Christ died FOR OUR SINS.”

The Lordship “Salvationist” does not believe that Christ paid the FULL PRICE for our sins, leaving us nothing to pay. He believes that Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection were necessary, but not sufficient. He believes that he must add to Christ’s finished work with his repentance from sin, commitment, or perseverance. In other words, the Lordship “Salvationist” has accepted Jesus as Lord and Helper, not Lord and Savior.

So, there is belief that does not save. It is belief in a false gospel of Christ plus works for salvation, more commonly known as Lordship “salvation.”

Can a person believe in Christ alone and not be saved? The answer to this one needs less explanation. The answer is NO.

John 3:16: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

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52 responses to “Lordship Salvation’s Demon Belief That Does Not Save

  1. Kenneth Groenewald

    Jack, you know I’ve been saved for just over 30 years. But for the first time only about a year ago by coming across this website did I pick up something untoward about us needing to repent-from our sins to be saved as being a work. I never thought it was works or a work. I just thought of it as “obedience”. So thank you so much Lord for this website.

    All my love to all.

    Kenneth. G.

  2. Thanks, John.

    In spite of my past struggles to free my mind from the confusing heresy of LS (in my case is was only confusing–for others tragically, it is also deadly) I was at least able to wrap my brain around this idea: What alternative do those who reject “mere” belief alone suggest? There can be no alternative. You either accept the gift of salvation by faith or you don’t. Anything beyond hearing the gospel and believing it is a form of works salvation. Pray that those of us who know that will never forget it. Pray for the rest to understand it and believe it.

  3. Ever try asking a lordship person: can a smoker or alcoholic be saved. You will really get the run around with that question. If they are truthful to what they believe they will say, no not until they repent of their smoking or alcoholism. And if that is their answer they just can not deny that then they are teaching a works salvation. I am sure they, will very rarely admit they are teaching a works salvation if that is the case.

  4. FryingPan, you bring up some great points. There is no alternative. And, we should pray for people who believe the Gospel to stand strong, and for everyone else to understand the Gospel and believe!

  5. Thanks John, I’ve heard many of those saying in churches over the and some of them still male me cringe remembering the Spirit squelching damage that they evoke.

    These stand out to me because they are two of the worst in that they are very deceptive.

    “We are saved by faith alone, but the faith that saves is not alone.”
    “We’re not saved by faith plus works, but we are saved by a faith that works.”

    Jim F

  6. d taylor, I agree with your assessment. Let’s pray that the Holy Spirit would cause those trusting in their works to realize that they are not trustworthy as their own saviors.

  7. John,

    Also one of the tricky lies of the devil is that God supposedly makes people be regenerated, “repent of their sin”, have saving faith, persevere to the end etc all the while they are actually trying to be their own savior. If you point out the fact that they are working for salvation they think you are nuts because they think the “grace” of God means He will make people be saved.

  8. Tonight Jack on a thread, a gentleman shared vehemently that John 3:16 and 1 Cor 15 did not contain the whole gospel, for it was missing repentance. And of course his definition of repentance was turning from sin in general.

    It’s my prayer that others will see and repent of their dead works in being any help towards their salvation :)

  9. Jim, agree. The “faith as the gift of God” lie of Calvinism leads to the works salvation of LS. That’s why groups such as the Southern Baptist Convention are home to people of both stripes.

  10. Kenneth,

    Thanks, your testimony encourages us!! We are thrilled every time we see someone understand the reality of God’s Grace!!

    In Jesus Christ eternally, Jack

  11. Holly, the gentleman that shared vehemently that John 3:16 and 1 Cor. 15 did not contain the whole gospel forgot to mention the entire book of John.

  12. to D Taylor ;As to the statement Ever try asking a lordship person: can a smoker or alcoholic be saved. Try asking if a gay or lesbian can be saved if their a believer. I don’t think to many would agree they could be saved if they didn’t change their lifestyle.

  13. Sam, you are right. And, if a gay or lesbian can’t be saved without changing their lifestyle, then no one else can be either.

    So, if someone thinks that a person has to turn from one sin, or another, in order to be saved, and then honestly assesses his own life, he would have to conclude that he hasn’t turned from all of his sin either. This realization should soon bring him to the point of realizing that he is trusting in himself, not Christ.

    This is my story. And about three years ago, I realized that eternal life was the gift of God, not a trade for my promise of good behavior or commitment. And I accepted Christ as my Savior.

  14. I agree John ; Romans 5;10 says we are saved by his life Thank God for Grace it really is amazing

  15. Holly,

    I am constantly amazed at how many LSers find no Truth in some of the most simple and easily understood passages in Scripture.

    But I must admit I learned by rote, John 3:16 at age 7 (in a Presbyterian church). Did not understand it; no one explained it. At 16 I became an atheist. At age 35, 28 years later, I finally understood the verse, as well as many more when the Gospel simplicity was explained in context by the man who led me to Jesus Christ.

    So I pray for patience as we contend for the Faith once delivered to the Saints. The Gospel of God’s Grace salvation, by Grace through Faith in Jesus Christ ALONE!

    In Jesus Christ eternally and thankfully, Jack

  16. Kenneth Groenewald

    Jon I liked your quote “because that is how the NIV and other LS Bibles have translated this verse.”I’m glad you see the hand of Satan in the multiple version$ of so called Bible$ flooding our market$ today.I call them Vatican Bibles because THEY are behind the “New Versions”. One can look on the Internet as there are vast resources available concerning this matter.
    However, I will stop here as I know that this is a discussion about Lordship Salvation. Let us be like the Bereans.

    Kenneth.

  17. John, the same pastor who fed me that “heart faith vs head faith” nonsense in 2006 also drew the line in the sand with the whole, “Well they can’t be saved if they’re not prepared to repent of their homosexual lifestyle.” That 2nd declaration came almost 7 years later, after about my 4th attempt to explain what Lordship “Salvation” is to him in a series of monthly meetings we had. I knew at that point, in spite of the progress I made, it was time to move on. Unfortunately their church web site is in error over “repentance” as it can possibly be. I thought maybe they’d change a little for the better, but apparently not.

  18. Kenneth, speaking just for myself I enjoy reading about the Bible translation versions info. For many years I just thought I’d was “fine” if I avoided Eugene Peterson’s THE MESSAGE and The Living Bible or whatever. Okay, I’ll move on if this is off topic.

  19. Fryingpan, I am saddened that you had to move on, but overjoyed that you had the courage and wisdom to do so.

  20. Kenneth, I like the KJV, but I know that it’s not good enough for most of the LS folks.

  21. Sam what I think many people misunderstand now, is that the sin issue was taken care of on the cross when Christ said it is finished. That is it, done and over, the sin that separated humanity from God was taken away. Now the only thing that keeps a person from God is whether they believe or not. When a person is judged as a believer or unbeliever they are judged not to decide do they go to heaven or hell but for a believer rewards or loss of rewards and for the unbeliever the level of degree of their place in the lake of fire.

  22. Nothing so Impressive as Simplicity , The simplicity That is In Christ .
    as a X Pharisee recovering In Grace , I have a fear for the word of God i have not known. I find it amazing how I used the above phrases around my cliques and even used James 2:19 , in front of the whole congregation in testimony. Honestly I never knew i was practicing LS. Amazing how these statements and twist’s on scripture find a soul.

  23. Curtis, funny, my fear and trembling has changed the more I have come to understand His grace and simplicity too. I want others to know Him, and so I know how important it is to study with His approval and to rightly divide His Word of truth…

  24. Reblogged this on Redeemingmoments and commented:
    Both Pentecostals and Calvinists and some in-between teach this Lordship salvation doctrine. Including WOF heretics…

  25. Good morning,
    Can someone get this to Curtis please?

    Curtis, I debate/discuss the bible all the time with LS’ers. I have even had pastors stop talking to me (they can’t answer my questions so they get a little frustrated and stop emailing). Although the word of God always wins the discussion, I feel like I have had little results in changing a mind.

    What caused you to change your mind? Was there something specific that was said to you? I am curious because sometimes I get discouraged. My discussions seem to produce nothing (although I can’t say that they didn’t – it just seems that way).

    Thanks Curtis,

    Preston

  26. Thanks for posting Preston. I believe that Curtis is one of our regular readers so he should see your comments. Also, others have told us of how they have broken free from the grips of LS. Perhaps some of them could share their testimonies as well.

  27. Curtis, I just got tired of not knowing if I was saved. I finally read a couple of gospel presentations that didn’t include anything about repenting from my sins, or committing my life to Christ. I kept asking myself: “Is that it? Where is the rest of it?” It finally dawned on me that there wasn’t any “rest of it.” It was then that I realized that salvation was God’s gift, not a trade – and trusted in Christ alone.

    It is very difficult for people to realize that something to which they have devoted much time, talent, and treasure may be based on lies – particularly if they have taught the lies to their children, have departed loved ones who taught the LS lies, etc. It is also scary to know that the overwhelming majority of churches, ministries, books, songs, and maybe even people that go by the name of “Christian” are part of the false religion of works for salvation.

    Clear Gospel Campaign puts it this way, in reference to the false gospel of water baptismal regeneration. But, it can be extended to any false gospel of works, including LS:

    “Every man must face this controversy honestly, without an agenda of defending a cherished doctrine of salvation-by-works in which they have already invested their tithe, their time, their intellectual labor, their emotion, or which they have believed from their youth. For if a man is unwilling to do so, and the teaching of grace is indeed the message of Scripture, they will stand self condemned before the great white throne on judgment day.”

  28. Hello Friends , Neighbor, acquaintance
    I hope this letter finds you and your family well.
    Religions and people make eternal life and Heaven a real task, something for which we must work and toil. I myself played a part in that and I am sorry and ask for your forgiveness. I feel it necessary for me to try in some way to correct.
    For many years as a believer in Christ I practiced a form of christian legalism called lordship salvation and didn’t even know it and became self righteous. lordship salvation says’ you need to demonstrate evidence of salvation or you’re not saved. August 9th 2010 my world came crashing down as I found this out the hard way and then went through a time of deep depression. About a year later Fall 2011 I witnessed a church assembly that I attended for many years prior split right in two bitterly over this teaching. I ended up in hospital over it. I no longer attend that assembly on either side and have been at home learning how to think for myself In Christ alone and through it all Amazing Grace found me this letter to you is the result of that and I hope you find it helpful.
    The gospel means good news and the good news is it is absolutely free, you can not earn a free gift and or be required to show some kind of evidence, remorse or turn from your way’s to receive this free gift of freedom neither do you have to walk an aisle of a church, give money, raise your hand, make a public confession, you can trust Christ were you are as you are right now no matter what. How? by Believing (trusting, relying, depending) that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: that is The Gospel 1 Cor. 15:1-4.
    I would like you to Know God is Love and not only does God love you He likes you and longs for you to recognize that He is the one who sticks to you closer to you than a Brother. All of creation was created BUT God Formed us that we would respond to His Love toward us demonstrated in Christ Jesus Rom. 5:8.
    If you are currently attending a church assembly every leader should be held accountable to deliver to you a very simple and clear gospel message. However you really need to know it for yourself, ask God to show you and He will. Ask for, seek for a firm grip on grace not doctrines of grace or doctrines of men. Jesus calls people to follow him, but he does not indoctrinate any of them. The freedom to seek our own understanding, so when we have it, we will know it really is what we believe and not just what others have told us we must blindly believe.
    A true follower of Jesus is a servant to all and is not a seeker of position or power over others in a church assembly. Jesus is the only true Head of His Body and the only Leader we should be following in this life and in The church.
    The salvation error starts with a very simple word “repent” the bible definition of repent is to change mind.
    Webster dictionary defines repent as “turn from sin.” This is were the rub and confusion is who is right?
    You can repent “turn from sin” and never believe the gospel but you can not believe the gospel with out repenting “changing your mind ” that Jesus paid for our sins, Rom. 5:8 also John 19:30 Jesus said “It is finished” from the cross. How you or your assembly views the word “repent” determines if you are living under Law or Grace. Lordship salvation is very powerful error and it breaks my heart for me to see leaders of churches with all kinds of degrees after their names and or can quote bible chapter and verse and yet not understand a simple word repent. Yet I know I was deceived by it as well.
    Enclosed gospel booklet I hope you will find helpful as it did for me. It took the gentleman 5 years to put together amazing what it takes to uncomplicated a simple salvation message.

    If you have any coments or questions please email CRM5096@gmail.com

    Curtis Ray Marburger

    freegraceallience.com why we teach Grace

    “The subtle – or not-so-subtle – problem with any kind of performance based “Christianity” is that it is counterproductive. Instead of producing joy or producing “abundant” life, it produces guilt or unreasonable introspection. Instead of producing power for living, it knocks us down. Instead of producing hope, it produces despair. It doesn’t produce freedom, it produces bondage.I know not everyone under this type of teaching ends up in the dumps. But it is far too common.
    Don’t misunderstand; grace does not take sin lightly. It realizes the consequences of sin might be severe, but that sin does not mean I have lost my salvation or that I never “really” had it. Grace doesn’t minimize sin, it maximizes God’s love. Grace realizes that God loves us, when we sin and when we don’t. It is not an “excuse” for sin, but it helps us deal with sin the right way.When we live under the grace of God, we experience freedom and life unlike anything else. Live it, teach it, and help others understand it.”

  29. The short answer August 9 th 2010 I had a road to Damascus type experience , The Calvinistic LS road I was on took me to a very dark place and God showed up and knocked me off my high horse and gave me a talking to one on one. Nope I don’t have no divine revelations for you and you don’t want to go down the road I was on. I am thankful that I did find other like minded souls on this Journey for a long time I thought i was the only one who saw this. It was God all along only letting me see a little at a time, how deep the error of my way was, and what I am coming out of. I do still haunt my old chains of familiar doctrinal bondage but the uneasy freedom in Christ is beyond words, After all those Years i am truly free and know I am Loved with an everlasting Love .

    Curtis

  30. Preston, don’t get too discouraged when you seem to be “failing” to change any minds when it comes to helping others know the true gospel and to understand and believe true doctrine. I just listened to a sermon by Tom Cucuzza from earlier this summer about the parable of the soil (usually referred to as the “parable of the SOWER”). In it he makes the salient point that so long as we’re presenting the gospel clearly it’s not a failure on the Christian’s part [to not] win souls. The person who hears the truth still has to be willing to hear it, accept it, and let it change their mind.

    As far as Bruce’s suggestion that perhaps hearing how others broke free from the bondage of LS, I don’t think I can add much more than the point John just made, but I too simply got tired of wondering if I was saved. I’m not sure when it happened, but I think some time around late 2002 or early 2003 is when I first started confiding in fellow believers about my doubts. (I got saved in 1992.) The fact that these folks never seemed able to point me to the truth and deliver me from my confusion is beside the point, though I’m tempted to go off on that tangent. I mention that only to show how epidemic the scourge of LS is in America, especially here in the “Bible Belt” which, (and again I think it was John) who more aptly called it the “Lordship Salvation Belt.” (I live in the mid South.)

    Anyway, I finally couldn’t take it any more and my research into the issue of understanding the gospel and the eternal security of the believer, and all the issues pertaining to that lead me to realize one side was right and the other was wrong. That was the beginning of the end of my being shackled to the confusion, frustration (and ultimately despair) brought about by my believing false doctrine. I stumbled upon some blogs here and there (the names of which I no longer remember) that taught about eternal security. But I also ran into a lot of stuff on YouTube that in retrospect was LS and taught false doctrine, specifically Paul Washer and Francis Chan. But the granddaddy of them all (for me anyway) was Ray Comfort. I found a blog that talked about how the gospel Ray teaches is a false one, and that got me to thinking. A number of weeks or months later I found myself looking for that blog again but instead stumbled upon this blog because Jack had posted about how a once trusted ministry was now promoting Ray Comfort.

    It wasn’t till I discovered the Expreacherman.com blog that I really began to be delivered. It wasn’t just the posts, but the encouraging comments from many people here. That and checking out Tom Cucuzza’s work as well as Ron Shea’s Clear Gospel Campaign.

    I hope this hadn’t all been unduly long winded . . .

  31. I am responsible for my own salvation FIRST to work it out, I would be careful trying to convert someone into your salvation. To defend THE Gospel proclaim The Gospel AS God Holy Spirit grants you opportunity to share. For me it’s sharing my testimony. sometimes a word spoken at opportune time, God is not a system and even grace can turn into another system of thought. It’s not about words, BUT the person of Christ Jesus. Now I do not care who walks through a church assembly doors, BUT I will not sit under preaching or teaching of someone who does not understand a simple word “repent”. At this point now I am real sharp in my discernment and simply get up and walk out when a teacher or preacher starts trying to indoctrinate me. Please don’t frustrate yourself, allow God to lead you. Guard yourself in the Love of God.

  32. Sent from my iPhone

    Begin forwarded message:

    From: Kim Seaman
    Date: September 9, 2013, 2:10:41 PM CDT

    In my case, my husband and I began to experience very strong and condemning fruit inspection by devoted LSers in our family. Being the victim of such opened my eyes to the problems of the LS mindset, which we ourselves had mildly held to, also. Simultaneously I began to find Calvinism, which we had also held to, impossible to reconcile with what I knew about God’s love. I began to pray for wisdom and understanding and asked God to show me His Truth, to allow me to see things, salvation, the world, people, etc, as He sees all of those. He answered that prayer by bringing me to this website. So, it was all the things that Jack, Bruce and John specifically said that showed me the Truth of Free Grace. I recognized it as the Truth as soon as I read it because God had been preparing me for it. My husband and I have had almost no success talking to others, either. But we continue to try, praying in advance that God would open their ears. There is strong devotion on the part of some we talk to, to a works based system because of their family members who are in that system, especially some who have passed on. There’s also a long history of great sacrifice that has brought much notoriety and self-satisfaction to some of these folks. I suspect that it is hard for them to swallow that those who have not worked will enjoy Heaven with God along side them. I currently can’t imagine them accepting that their works for salvation have been worthless. For me, I was very clear on the fact that my only hope was the shed blood of Christ for my sins. I was fortunate, I suppose, to have struggles that made it oh so clear to me that I could bring nothing to the table in the salvation transaction agreement. If God’s Grace is not free, I have no hope! Therefore I am so very thankful for the ministry of this wonderful website. Thank you Jack, Bruce, and John! God bless you richly and always.

  33. Kim,

    We thank the Lord for you and that encouraging, clear testimony. We pray that the Gospel of God’s Grace will reach many more folks through ExP. Ours is a ministry of love for our Savior and concern for the lost and confused.

    We are happy to have you here.

    In Jesus Christ eternally, Jack

  34. I didn’t begin in Lordship salvation, but I began to first hear the teaching at my Christian High School from some who felt you could either lose your salvation or you weren’t a Christian based on certain behavior. I remember back then, being thought of as a “bad girl” although I was actually very innocent. I did argue against these two teacher’s daughters and I suspect that was part of the issue. Both years it got me non-invited back unless I had a ‘conference’ with my parents. I wasn’t spiritually mature enough to combat the errors with His Word, I just knew it was wrong. I left to finish high school my third year in a public school.

    This condemnation continued in my later teens in a Charismatic church (yes both Arminians and Calvinists teach it). Funny, the hyper-religious there probably had the most immoral hidden lives, eventually much of it came to light. The pastor’s wife left him multiple times evidently for affairs until she finally divorced him I heard later. (I had not stayed there long)

    My ex-husband of many years ago, started to listen to Jimmy Swaggart, and I could not stand to stay in the room as this pastor bragged on his lips never touching alcohol and his eyes never having seen a movie, or he cried what seemed to be crocodile tears and preached on “repentance”. Eventually my ex-husband abandoned me and our 4 year old son, moved in with his two-year affair and married her. I do not want you to think I did not forgive either of them, she is gone now, died several years back and I certainly did and do. Anyways, that superiority continued in their relationship as they seemed to condemn me when they spoke to my son.

    I spiraled for quite some years as I ‘tried’ to do what was right, and seemed to do worse all the time. The church people made me uncomfortable and I stopped going to any church after awhile. Since I didn’t think I could go to Him, because of my performance (or lack thereof), It made me hide from God. I couldn’t confess my sins, for now I was convinced that even though He was faithful, it was that I was not sincere, or sincere enough… for surely if I was, I wouldn’t keep repeating my sins. I was in a terrible place. Talk about dust on a Bible…

    I could do nothing anymore except finally just say “Help me Lord” and I told Him if He would, with His help I would try to read His Word more faithfully (I didn’t set parameters or times, I was afraid I would fail). I told Him if He would help me, I would try to pray for more things. I had to even ask Him, to please help me WANT to WANT to do the right things, as my desires I knew were not good.

    And I read through John and Romans again, and again, it hit me each time, something else about His grace, God’s grace, the FREE gift. It took a long time to scrape out the barnacles of false doctrine, that had grown inside of me and often I was afraid I was wrong in my thinking. But His Word continued to assure me, it was just preachers and authors who didn’t.

    I didn’t seem to get much better very quickly, but you know… I begin to feel better. Closer to Him, comforted by Him, shown how to do things a little better, given some Christian friends, directed to one Bible study, then another. It seemed like I moved slower than a snail in growth, but I believe the Lord had a lot to fix and He is a gentle and lowly at heart, that is for sure. But in my disappointment at my growth I believe He did show me, that He was doing the work, and a better way than I had tried to do it and failed. I was learning how to lean on Him, how to trust in Him and not myself.

    I completely believe that Lordship doctrine is the most pervasive evil of professing “Christianity” today and is alive and well in so many churches, the supposed emergent churches, the Pentecostal, Baptist, SDA, Calvinist, and even Word of Faith and Signs and Wonders churches. It is a Roman Catholic teaching that stayed with “protestantism”. It is a false gospel that keeps people from knowing the Lord, or that Satan uses to render believers ineffective in continual self-condemnation. It also spoils the harvest as the seed we plant is infected with the ‘turn/repent from sin’ works message, or
    the seed has died with the Lord, Lordship message of mans works.

    There is only one way we live, and it is by His grace, and if we try to live by our performance/works, it is no longer grace. It just does not work, because it is not of God, but of man, it is not the Father’s will, but theirs.

    I cannot believe the slimy tentacles of this doctrine, as I watch it entwine itself around people’s minds so they are blinded from ‘hearing’ His Word even as they speak other Scriptures out of context to prove their own false doctrine. It’s terribly sad, we can pray, and use the Word rightly divided, and speak with sound speech, and grace and salt seasoning our speech for the non-believer. And when they curse us, we can bless them and pray they will be set free from the bondage of Hagar *or worse, Satan) that they do not realize they are under.

    And some will be set free, and maybe later some will turn, maybe not even remembering something you have shared with them, but it will be part of the watering. God bless you all, sure appreciated your testimonies.

  35. Thank You for your Testimonies , They made my day
    Curtis

  36. Thank you, Kim, for your most encouraging letter!

    Blessings!

    .

  37. Preston,

    I can say a few things about my own testimony that may help. I was saved at a young age – about 5. I trusted Jesus Christ as Savior because I knew that I had sinned and I knew who He was and that He died on the cross for my sins. My mother shared with me how He is Risen and that I could believe in Him to save me.

    Over the years I kept coming back to the scripture that I had learned. Growing up in church there were many things offered that were designed to encourage children to memorize scripture like at VBS or Awana clubs. One of the first verses that we learned was John 3:16. Years later that would pay off for me. A preacher came to our church one time just after I was out of Bible college and tried to promote Calvinism. There were many at the Christian college that I attended that were Calvinists but I did not really know much about it having not been in a church where the pastor was pushing it. Anyway, I looked through the 5 points of Calvinism as outlined by the material that that guy was promoting and I rejected it right away because I knew that the points were intertwined and that the middle point (Limited atonement) was obviously false based on John 3:16. Therefore the rest were off at least a bit. I only came find out later exactly how far off.

    About 7 to 8 years later I was helping a friend at a church plant and the friend started going in a Lordship Salvation trajectory. At one point he recommended that book The Gospel According to Jesus to me and I began reading. I only got through about the first ten pages and had marked the book already with so many red flags that I decided that my friend was on a path that I was not on. That discovery along with having to deal with competing gospels, LS vs free grace. caused me to seek answers. I first found the blog In Defense of the Gospel then this blog Expreacherman. Together they motivated me by showing me the need to stand fast for the faith because the gospel is being taken away from us in most of our churches. It is being subtly replaced with a works oriented gospel that save no one. This all prompted me to start my own blog to be another voice in the wilderness so to speak.

    Those you witness to will have trouble accepting the truth usually because their salvation in their minds is hinging on deception and is many times accompanied by an experience. Point them to plain statements in scripture that clear bring forth the truth of the free gift of salvation. The Spirit can do the convincing and it will often take time.

  38. Really enjoyed reading your sharing here Jim, as well as Kims and others, what a blessing. May you all have a wonderful week in Him.

  39. Thank you, Jack and Bruce, for the kind words. And I, too, enjoyed reading your testimonies, Jim and Holly. (Sorry for the extraneous stuff at the top of mine. Oops!). Blessings to you all!

  40. Duck Dynasty is the most popular show going right now. Good down home wholesome TV show. with a twisted Gospel message , Yes even quoting 1 cor 15:1-4 , That Jesus died was buried and rose again for our sins . now after saying that if Mr Robertson would simply stop there but no he goes on to add “Repent of Sins” “make Jesus Lord of your life ” and “water baptism” then you are saved . If you go to White’s ferry Road Church website and listen to 9-1-2013 Mr Robertson gives the Galatians 1:6 Another gospel message at the end at 1 hour time stamp . I trust I am not judging this man’s soul , but I am judging the message presented and It is not THE Gospel it is A gospel and just because it is popular don’t make it right
    Curtis M

  41. Curtis, you said: “..just because it is popular don’t make it right”

    My comment: The more popular it is, the less likely it is to be right. Matthew 7:14: “Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.”

  42. Curtis,

    Duck Dynasty is presenting a false gospel of works that leads to hell, you are correct. They are ‘church of Christ’, which is not a Christian group (despite their name), because they say you must be water baptized and do commitment works as part of the Gospel, and they say you can lose salvation. They are false teachers and another ecumenical bridge to Rome.

  43. I never have seen the show, but have seen them advertised around, but it’s good to know as so many laud their praises, I suspected something was up.

  44. So now, I’m confused, is Jesus Lord or not?

  45. Welcome Allie. Thanks for your question.

    Yes, Jesus is Lord God of Creation, Redemption, the Universe, the second person of the Trinity. We don’t make him Lord. He IS Lord. He is Lord of all, in spite of any puny declaration that any individual may or may not choose to make.

  46. Allie,

    Thanks for visiting and your question.

    Yes, Jesus Christ IS the Lord God Almighty and one must understand that and believe it in order to trust Him as Savior. We believe Jesus IS the Lord.

    Jesus is The Son of God, The Messiah, The Christ, The Savior, The Word and many more descriptions of His Person.

    Jesus is the Lord by His own words after Satan tried to tempt Him:

    Matthew 4:7
    ” Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.”

    The problem with Lordship “salvation” (LS) is that the proponents, followers and leaders of the LS movement attach “following Jesus by their works” or active discipleship as a requirement for being saved or staying saved, neither of which is Biblical. Such a teaching is totally contrary to the Biblical teaching of Grace. One verse, among many, clearly teaches that:

    Romans 11:6
    And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.”

    After a person has trusted Christ as Savior, our fellowship with Him and other believers is dependent upon our obedience to the Lord Jesus through His Scriptures.

    Please study our Statement of Faith above or at this link. It will be helpful for you to understand and not be confused:
    http://www.expreacherman.com/statement-of-faith/

    Allie, we pray this will be helpful to you as you study God’s Word in Light of His Grace.

    In Jesus Christ eternally, Jack

  47. Allie, I remember wondering what people were trying to say back before I knew what their definition of “accepting Him as Lord and Savior” meant. Of course He is my Lord and my Savior. He has many titles, and LORD, one title means, God, the Messiah. (kyrios)

    Correct me here somebody if I am wrong, but some try to go deeper, like the King of Lordship Salvation, John MacArthur. He goes to the root word, then to the root word etymology and comes up with kuros. He then says the opposite of supreme, or Master is slave. Again, He is our Lord and Master, but their definition means that IF He REALLY is our Lord and Master, we will have made Him “Lord of all” (sort of like Satan telling Jesus, go ahead you can have all these kingdoms).

    Jesus is who the Word says He is, and I believe it. Hope that helped a little bit.

  48. Allie, welcome!

    Please find below an excerpt from Clear Gospel Campaign:

    In the time of Christ, the term Kurios (Lord) could variously mean “God,” “master,” or “Sir” depending on the context of usage. Within “salvation formulas” within Scripture (passages that declare, prima facie, what one must do or believe to be saved), the divinity of Jesus is repeatedly presented as an essential element of saving faith. (John 8:25-27, 8:23-24, 11:25-27, 20:31; Acts 9:20, 16:30-31; and 1st John 5:13).

    The fundamental goal of a physicist is to generate generalizations which remain true under diverse circumstances. If they can do so, they are called “laws of nature.” The fundamental goal of the theologian is to generate generalizations which are consistent across a spectrum of teachings within Scripture. If they stand up to that test, the are called “doctrines.”

    The fact that the divinity of Jesus is explicitly identified as an element of saving faith throughout Scripture should inform a theologian as to a logical interpretation of the term “Lord” in conjunction with eternal salvation. And the existence of over 160 verses of Scripture that declare salvation is by faith alone, and countless verses that further declare that salvation is not by the works of the law, should further inform even the most callow theologian that the call to obedience is expressly not a demand placed on man in exchange for eternal life. To interpret the word “Kurios” (Lord) as a call to obedience in exchange for the promise of eternal life is therefore to utterly fail as a theologian! To The use of the term Kurios in conjunction with man’s salvation is plainly a call to man to honor Christ as his Creator.

  49. Thank you!! Jesus IS Lord! He is Lord whether a person acknowledges Him or not. That’s why it says that EVERY knee will bow and confess Jesus is Lord! So if you are saying Jesus is Lord now, then only the Holy Spirit can say that in this fallen world. Thank God He is Lord!! I wouldn’t want it any other way!

  50. Nathan, welcome and thanks for your comment.

    Yes, Jesus is Lord!

  51. Welcome Nathan

    Thanks for the reminder

  52. Exactly Nathan. Jesus is LORD of ALL. But some do not seem to understnd the words ‘ALL’ or ‘EVERY MAN’ or “THE WHOLE WORLD”, etc.

    Jesus is King of Kings and Lord of Lords, He allows the demons some free reign now, and when the restrainer is taken away, there will be more freedom for them in the end, but He is still their Lord, although never will be their Saviour.

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