Contrary to her party’s past history, Clinton and maybe the rest of her group have discovered that “religion” sells to the uninformed in the political arena.
Unfortunately, most nominal Christians or those who label themselves as “of faith Christians” are woefully ignorant of basic Biblical principles of the Christian behavior and thought process. Therefore, unless we Bible believers educate ourselves on our basic Bible Doctrines, we will be swept into electing some candidate who might bring this country to a point where believers cannot preach the Bible and the glorious message of our wonderful salvation in Jesus Christ alone. Christians, let us become Biblical Bereans.
Acts 17:10-11 “And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: [....] These were more noble [...] in that they received the Word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. “
From an article in Front Page Magazine Online, the author illustrates Clinton’s “faith.” He has some good things to say from his point of view but he also points out some things of which Christians, Jews and Conservatives should be aware.
Excerpts:
“Hillary Clinton is a very smart politician, and following the 2000 and 2004 presidential elections, she quickly grasped that it was the religious-moral “values voter” who twice elected George W. Bush.”
[...]
“[Hillary] hired Burns Strider, a leading Democratic Party strategist on advising candidates how to reach out to pro-life evangelicals.”
[UPDATE info from The Grenada Mississippi The Daily Star. Burns Strider is quite ecumenical. He is a former Nazarene and now with the United Methodist Church, has been "faith" adviser to Roman Catholic Nancy Pelosi -- adviser to Baptist AlGore and African Methodist Episcopal Congressman James Clyburn,]
[...]
“As Hillary seeks to run for president, as maybe the most religious Democrat since Jimmy Carter, someone needed to examine what she believes.”
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“…the media will applaud her, as it did when she campaigned in 27 churches in the two months before the November 2000 vote—including six appearances on Election Day—sometimes with literally a pool of reporters in the front pew singing and cheering, and in one case with the minister comparing her opponent to Satan.“
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“Conservative Christians should prepare themselves to be sickened by the bracing double standard they are about to witness from the mainstream press.”
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“On the negative, readers will see that a major theme of the book is the total disconnect between her faith and her stridency on abortion. She is not simply pro-choice but fanatically pro-choice. She will not compromise on any matter of abortion policy, from banning partial-birth abortions to supporting funding for ultrasound machines to backing legislation to protect babies injured in the womb by outside parties. She’s to the left of everyone on this issue, including even her husband, who pro-lifers dubbed ‘the Abortion President.’
“By the way, as a ‘pro-choice Christian,‘ she points to the lead of her denomination, the United Methodist Church, which is a member of the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice. The author of Roe v. Wade was a Methodist, and was invited to address Hillary’s congregation by her pro-choice [pro-abortion] pastor at the historic Foundry United Methodist Church in Washington in 1995.”
I beg all of you to know for whom you vote, whether you are Christian or not. Don’t jeopardize our our Republic by an uninformed vote.
See my post, Your Candidate’s Religious Belief“ for details on Clinton and all other candidates.
The problem is the difference between religion and relationship. Religion has it’s little checklists of do’s and don’t's, therefore you don’t ‘need’ G*D so you don’t get to know HIM or have a relationship with HIM. Relationship is where you take the time to get to know the person(in this case G*D)what they are about, and adapt yourself to them. It’s a little thing called love, and religion doesn’t need it to exist!
hillary ‘may’ have a checklist, but it has nothing to do with G*D, it is a convenience and a tool, and she will use it up to the Antichrist’s appearance, then I’m betting she becomes a ‘true believer’, in him!
Life is going to get very interesting, that old chinese curse makes more sense as time goes on! “May you live in interesting times” usually means hard and dangerous!
Better have your relationship with G*D really tight!
Good morning, G*D bless and Maranatha!
tmw
TMW,
Great point — and I would add a thought and elucidate slightly on yours.
Condemnation Guaranteed – Unbelievers and the unbelieving “religious” with that inevitable checklist.
Relationship — Never Condemned – Guaranteed Constant and Eternal:
Believers Have: THE unchangeable and Eternal relationship with Jesus by faith alone. John 3:18 “He that believeth on Him [Jesus] is not condemned:”
Believers can judge all candidates by their words. We can then determine if their past and present actions contradict their words today and then compare both with the Word of God. Be Bereans!
ExP(Jack)
And for all the nonsense about how Christians aren’t supposed to judge…au contraire, we are told to by Paul!
1Cor.6
[1] Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
[2] Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
[3] Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
Just goes to show you that a lot of people talk about Christianity and the Bible without knowing ANYTHING about them!
tmw
Madame Hillary is part and parcel of the anti-Christ spirit that is currently at work in the world, as is her political party. The anti-Christ, too, will speak as a lamb, with the horns of a dragon.
TMW,
Right. Judging (discernment) is required of believers,
Lynda,
Hillary will no doubt attempt to shine her image in order to fool enough lambs to take them to the slaughter.
Hillary is not alone. To America’s shame, there are candidates on both sides who would do the same.
Thus we preach the Word in and out of season… rightly dividing the Word of Truth.
In Christ,
ExP(Jack)
Wonder how a martyr’s crown would look on me?
tmw
when it behooves her, she wears a crucifix and it must be coated in something extremely powerful so as not to burn a hole in her hide!
g.w. used his “faith” to get to the lot of u.s. – this will not happen again to christians, ex-p – i fear we are ALL warier for the experience.
Lord, help u.s. all – we no longer deserve your blessings as a nation.
psalm 122:6
hosea 6:4
Nanc,
Thanks for dropping by..
It is amazing how gullible many “Christians” are in this wonderful Republic.
Strap on a symbol and folks line up to follow like sheep. It is similar to the MSM flooding their pages with solemn and “reverent” pictures of Bill holding a Bible as the Monica escapade was being exposed.
In Christ eternally,
ExP(Jack)
Bro. Jack,
Did you ever read a book titled “How The Clinton Clergy Corrupted A President” written by Moody Adams? It basically blames Free Grace Theology for the Clinton years! I read it awhile back & sent my copy to GES for them to hopefully review, but surprisingly, they said it was too old, & they were not interested. The book erroneously, IMHO, said that many of the clergy that he “trusted” to guide him spiritually (a mistake from the get-go!) never told him that he must repent of his sins but only had to believe to be saved. Of course, we know that is a misunderstanding of the Scriptural definition of repentance, but that is beside the point. The GES does have an interesting quote on its site by Bill Clinton while president regarding the death of Vince Foster. If Mr. Clinton had ever believed in the Free Grace Biblical Gospel (very doubtful IMHO) he surely repudiated it in his comment. You can find it at their site under the Newsletter section, the October/November 1993 issue. Here is Clinton’s comment: “My deepest hope is whatever drew Vince away from us this evening, his soul will receive the grace and salvation that his good life and good works earned.” That surely doesn’t sound like the Biblical Gospel to me, does it to you? God Bless you bro. Jack!
Bro David,
Wow, you opened a can of worms as I searched my archives.
Never read that book, but you are right. Bill Clinton’s “eulogy” for Vince Foster is typical of a “works,” no-salvation message, promulgated by millions of churches, pastors and denom-abominations. Bill is in good company and appeals to millions of these poor deluded folks.
Hillary, Barack Hussein and Edwards spoke recently at the altar of The Sojourners conference (Leftist “Rev” Jim Wallis). Who is Wallis? He is friend and compatriot of Tony Campolo, Brian McLaren and others Leftist Emergent Church gurus. (From Walis’ web site)
Quoting from GrassTopsUSA, “Wallis is an out-of-the-closet Marxist who went from fronting for the Viet Cong in the ’60s, to making excuses for Khmer Rouge atrocities and mocking Vietnamese boat people in the 1970s (They had been infected by capitalism, the Rev. jeered, and were fleeing “to support their consumer habit in other lands”) to sanctifying Nicaraguan and Salvadoran communists in the ’80s, as part of the clerical useful idiots Witnesses for Peace.
“Today, he [Wallis] bestows the same loving kindness on Islamic terrorists that he previously reserved for People’s [Communist] Republics. In a 1979 interview, Wallis expressed the hope that “more Christians will come to view the world through Marxist eyes” — that is to say, those Christians who hadn’t been murdered by Marxists in Russia, Poland, Hungary, Cuba, Nicaragua, Vietnam, Korea, Ethiopia, Angola etc., etc.”
Woe unto our nation!
In Christ eternally,
ExP(Jack)
[Note quoted from Dr. Dan's comment from my Obama Post]
http://expreacherman.wordpress.com/2006/06/29/barak-obama-dangerous-neophyte/#comments
ExP(Jack)
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Friend Jack,
Now that’s good! I got a chuckle out of the alliteration. “Dark days of Dem density” indeed! And as for Hillary’s “religion”, you hit the nail on the proverbial head, Brother. Her only religion is expediency, and she will say whatever her sycophants and puppet-masters tell her will get her elected in ‘08. Expect to hear her talking like a conservative for the next 14 months, ’cause she knows that left-liberal loonies just don’t get elected in the good ol’ US of A. I’ve always said that the best thing I could say about Slick Willie was that he was better than his wife. I got so tired of hearing “poor Hillary, poor Hillary” while he was desecrating the Oval Office. She knew what he was when she married him, and she rode his coattails into a position of power that she never could have reached on her own. She is truly an evil woman, and if she gets elected, God help America!
Dr Dan
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Other than be an intelligent woman and effective politician, what terrible thing has Hillary Clinton done to deserve such ire? I really don’t understand why folks hate her so much. You people talk about values, but right wing politicians really seem to have some huge problems in that arena themselves. Repressed self-hating homosexual religious zealots aren’t nearly as appeling to me as they seem to be to right-wing voters. I’ve asked people to try and explain their Hillary-hatred to me but they always end up exploding in a cloud of furious nonsense before they can make their point. I’m not certain that Hillary has my vote at this point, but she does seem more competent than anyone else on the field. I’m not looking for a politician to inspire me spiritually or whatever; I just want a competent executive. So far, Hillary is the only one who looks like she fits the bill.
-WD
WD,
There is no hate, no ire — just the facts.
Let me count the ways.
She is a Socialist (Hillary Care plus new $5,000 eternal welfare for bonus babies)
Enamored of Chicago radical Leftist organizer Saul Alinsky. (her thesis)
She is pro-abortion.
She is supported by, refuses to condemn and panders to left wing, liberal king-queen maker, anti-American. multi-billionaire George Soros’ MoveOnDotOrg.
Just to name a few added to those above.. and maybe some of my readers have other facts to add.
In Christ eternally,
ExP(Jack)
No hate or ire? And they say Fundamentalist Christians have no sense of irony!
Socialist? So, then by your standards, Richard Nixon was a socialist. Health care in this country is in a shambles-perhaps it would be more constructive to actually try and discuss the issues rather than slandering anyone who tries to do something about the mess. Instead of just saying she is a socialist, why not discuss what is specifically so horrible about these proposals and propose some reforms that would be more acceptable to you? We cannot continue to ignore this problem, and calling someone a ‘socialist’ because they want to do something about it isn’t helpful.
If you are going to hold the thesis she wrote forty five years ago when she was in college against her, why don’t you hold George W Bush’s college behavior against him?
Again, ‘pro-abortion’ is a ridiculous distortion that only illustrates your unreasonableness. No reasonable person is ‘pro-abortion’ in the same way no reasonable person believes that a victim of incestuous rape should be forced to bring the product of that crime into the world. If you wish to reduce the number of abortion performed in America then you need to be willing to talk with and make yourself understood to the people who disagree with you. In order to make yourself understood to someone, you must first understand that person. If you insist on distorting and demonizing those who disagree with you they will never agree with you.
If you want to talk about the influence of George Soros on the left then you must acknowledge the influence of Richard Mellon Scaife or Rupert Murdoch on the right.
Some of your readers have accused her of being the anti-Christ. None of the reasons you have given me even remotely seem to justify that sort of invective. Are you all just scared of her because she’s a girl?
-WD
I am baffled as to what you find offensive on my website, but it’s your perogative to link to what you wish to.
Your avatar says it all, wd.
Hillery is a closet socialist, did we oppose that rotten, tyrannical, political movement for decades, just to bring it home?
The abortion stance causes a devaluation of life, look at some of the cases of women who were pregnant, and were either killed or so badly injured that they lost their baby. And then were told that that anticipated child was not a human being.
I read the Bible through from Genesis to Revelation 3 times between the ages of 12 and 16, in that time I have NOT seen ANY of the liberal theology in red! And I attended a church that didn’t study the Bible, so I had no bias. A clear reading left me with a great distrust of the emergent church, along with others!
Good morning, G*D bless and Maranatha!
tmw
Winston, thanks for the repartee,
However, you should not be baffled. Obviously our standards of “offensive” differ. I do my best to filter any links to nudity going from my web site. Folks can find such on the Internet without my recommendation.
Health Care Reform? A totally free market solution — without government intervention. Cradle to grave government care is the problem — not the solution. Probably too late to solve that because the concept of socialist largesse is now ingrained in the minds of its recipients as an “entitlement.” Folks don’t like to give up the “goodies” from Uncle Sam — they want more!
Clinton’s thesis was an expression of her love of the Alinsky philosophy, not sophomoric college social behavior. Bush renounced his behavior — Clinton has not denounced her embrace of the Alinsky leftist ideology.
Abortion? Winston, it is a baby!! Abortion kills a baby. Liberals are supposed to be compassionate about “The Children” yet do not condemn the murder of these innocents.
Though Scaife, Murdoch and I disagree on some points, I think they have demonstrated their love for America by their actions in support of our free Republic. Soros (the internationalist) on the other hand is just the opposite — he has not! He regularly shows his hatred for our Republic.
My readers (including you) have opinions and express them as they see fit — within the limits of propriety. However, I see none of my readers accusing Clinton of being the anti-Christ, but being “a part and parcel of the anti-Christ spirit.” In simple vernacular, that means, whether intentionally or not, she is pushing for the goals of the anti-Christ outlined in Scripture. Many folks do so these days but at present, Clinton is the most prominent and willing advocate.
Winston, in spite of a few mild invectives, you sound like a reasonable man.
I would like for you to consider my Savior, Jesus Christ. He loves you, shed His blood on the cross, died in your place (to rescue you from an eternity of condemnation), He rose from the grave and now pleads with you to trust Him as your Savior. John 3:15 “That whosoever believeth in Him [Jesus Christ] should not perish, but have eternal life.
Trust Jesus alone to give you eternal life, Winston. He will give you that free gift without any charge.
I’d love to look around Heaven some day and be able to say, “Hello fellow believer in Christ, Winston Delgado!”
In Christ eternally,
ExP(Jack)
Merry Wuidow-
No avatars for me. That’s my name and my face, so I don’t know what you mean by ‘that says it all’. As to your belief that you are without bias or whatever… that’s so very nice for you. I’m glad you’ve read the Bible.
As to the rest:
Any ‘nudity’ on my site is in doodle form. I didn’t realize that ink drawings could be offensive, but again, it’s your site and you can link to what you wish. I don’t mind.
A fetus is not a baby. I thought y’all would know your Scripture better. Exodus 21:22-25
( 22 “If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely [e] but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows. 23 But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.
So, if you accidentally cause a woman to miscarry, you must pay a fine. But if you cause the pregnant woman a serious injury, then it’s the old ‘eye for an eye’ bit. It has always been stunning to me that so many Fundamentalist Christians can lovingly quote the ‘eye for an eye’ bit but ignore what comes before it.
Now, I don’t hate babies and I don’t want to kill them. But there is a definite difference between a fetus that has been gestating for weeks and an actual baby. If you can equivocate the difference between the ‘spirit of the antichrist’ and ‘the antichrist’ then surely you can understand the difference between these two things.
Sorry, you won’t be able to take credit for my confession of faith or my witnessing-I already did that a long time ago. But thank you for the offer. That was very generous of you.
I’m not looking to get into a huge argument with you folks. You seem like nice people despite calling those you disagree with the incarnation of evil. I don’t care who you vote for or which party or any of that nonsense. I just wanted to remind you that you are talking about your fellow humans and Americans here. Your cetainty is your blind spot-I’m not trying to take the splinter out of your eye, I’m just letting you know that it’s there.
-WD
Winston,
Watch out for that beam in your own eye!!
I look for no credit about your faith. That is between you and the Savior. Seriously, however, I would like to read the confession of your faith in Jesus Christ as your personal Savior. You have said nothing here that indicates you are a believer in Christ — and your web site certainly runs counter to and does not confirm such a fact.
You have such derision for those of us who believe in the Fundamentals of the faith, I would have never guessed you were in the family of Faith, once delivered unto the saints.
Titus 3:5
“Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us,…”
Once in His family by faith alone, you are there eternally, my friend.
IN Christ eternally,
ExP(Jack)
Winston,
The fruit of the womb is a baby… according to your NIV translation. Luke 1:44 “As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the BABY in my womb leaped for joy.”
In the Exodus verses, you even verified that the object of a pregnancy is a life. Exodus 21:23 “But if there is serious injury, you are to take LIFE FOR LIFE…”
Furthermore, the Exodus verses are addressing an accidental early delivery — not a deliberate taking and killing of a baby in the womb, which IS abortion.
God’s Word, the Bible never speaks of a “fetus.”
In Christ eternally,
ExP(Jack)
wd-It was the cynical look and ‘face’ you made that ‘spoke’ loudly to me. It shows the same attitude that the emergent church proclaims.
And as G*D told Jeremiah, Jeremiah 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; before you were born I sanctified you; and I ordained you to be a prophet to the nations.”
If a prophet can be sanctified before being recognizable as a child…I guess G*D would consider them human!
And I do NOT advocate an eye for an eye, or a tooth for a tooth, but evil should and must be opposed. 1 Peter 5:8-9, [8] Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
[9] Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.
I resist the devil and his evil, for he only comes to; kill, steal and destroy.
tmw
Merry Widow-
I’m sorry you don’t like my face. Not much I can do about that. I appreciate your scrutiny.
Jack-
Considering you consider my site offensive enough to block, I’m surprised you’ve wandered through it as much as you have. I would like to point out that I’ve been posting there for nearly a decade and some of those older posts don’t necessarily reflect how I feel today, but they do reflect how I felt the day I made them, so it would be dishonest of me to censor myself retroactively because my mind has changed or understanding has deepend. However, there’s nothing on there that I won’t take responsibility for. I would like you to know that I don’t feel derision towards you-I find you to be sincere. I don’t actually feel derision towards Fundamentalists but I do feel they are generally misguided which is why so many of them are fearful and angry. Matthew 13:13-15:
“Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand. 14In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:
” ‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
15For this people’s heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.’
Here Jesus is trying to explain to His disciples why He teaches in parables. By not being literal He is provoking people to think and come to understanding of their own.
My confession of faith can be found in Matthew 10, that is where I found my mission. I won’t say much more outright because then you might not consider me a member of your family of faith; but I would reassure you that you and all of yours are members of mine.
-WD
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In response to Lynda, if Hillary is the anti-Christ, I say, VOTE FOR HER. Let’s get this show on the road. I’m ready!
Tilly,
Thanks for stopping by.. Interesting comment.
We probably can’t alter the final days of this world by our meager vote..
But that is a fascinating concept and would make a great bumper sticker.. “Vote for Billery — bring on the Rapture.”
In Christ eternally,
ExP(Jack)
Okay i do think the Church can be quite illiterate when explaining why they do not support Hillary.
Abortion cannot be the only answer, however, I do think fresh arguments could be made on the topic. (1) We now know that abortion is violence against women (i.e the damage it has and can cause to women’s bodies and emotional scarring)
(2) She does not advocate policies supporting for those, say who have been raped, and decide to keep the baby or give up for adoption. i.e how has she in congress tried to improve the adoption system?
Healthcare – is a basic human necessity. Having it has a commodity to make a profit off the poor is wrong. Even, Jesus turned the tables of the money changers who simply were driven by greed. Something needs to be done about it’s insane increase in costs and what the health industry is charging. Hillary doesn’t offer the best solution to address this with her idea of universal healthcare. Instead it puts more pressure on the tax payer (the poor and middle class) and further puts our government in debt. Having debt (which the US currently has) that cannot be payed back is not a biblical system.
Issues like Trafficking of humans, corporate accountability especially over US Transnational Corporations where there is unrighteous power over poor nations and communities with weak economies is not on her agenda (i.e where coca cola depletes water resources used by local indian farmers, or seek tax havens for cheap labour etc)
Anyway, these are just some of the issues. But honestly, we need to be smarter and educate ourselves before presenting arguments that have no relevance to non-Christians, or Christians who have different interpretations of her. Things like “anti-christ” spirit need to be broken down to more practical terms. It’s a catch all religious phrase, and everything Jesus used were parables and common everyday concepts that people understand.
Blessings to you!